If you are a part of the David Liddle 2008 spring order being hosted by me please give me a call at the following (843)997-5345 it is very important that I speak with each of you ASAP.
Apparently ,according to USDA there are some concerns with our order. I will not go into any details on this public forum as everyone viewing it does not need to be made aware of what' s going on. I have been in contact with the people at customs in regards to what's going on with or cuttings and to make them aware that this will not be the only shipment from this supplier and they may want to be on the lookout for the other shipments because they very well could be affected by the same issues as our shipment.
dmichael
David Liddle 2008 spring order
Pray tell, DM...what might these issues be? Could you let others of us know who have orders with DL? Perhaps not with YOUR order, but with others and/or ourselves. Knowing what you are talking about would be wonderful....thanks in advance!!!!
Carol
Don't worry Carol, David has been working the phones for the last 12 hours....We couldn't have a better organizer!!
I am quite confident that David will have everything up and running smoothly as soon as possible. Maybe give David a call - he's really been a reassuring presence.
Cheers,
Sara
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If anyone in on this order is awake and knows what's going on, could you please D-mail me the details? It's 11:20 pm here and I don't want to call David this late.
Thanks!!!
Jen
Jen, check your mail.
S
Jen, David Liddle says it is a USDA problem and should not delay the orders very long. At least, that's what he said about another order going out at this time, I imagine the problem with David Michael's order is the same.
Luckily, it doesn't look like any of the recipients need to do anything about it, aside from fret needlessly.
Oh my ... I'm in on that order too and I don't want to call this late either ... it's midnight! Can someone d-mail me and give me a heads up about what's going on?
Thanks,
Lin
Oh, I hope it's not any major issue ... but there's not much anyone can do when it comes to gov't red tape! We just have to wait patiently ... or maybe I should say impatiently. ^_^
Oh, sorry Sara, looks like we were typing at the same time. It is hard to beat you to the "send" button!
By the way...this is NOT a public forum....it is a private forum.... It would really be nice to know exactly what the issues are - as wonderful as DM is - the rest of us with orders from David Liddle could be prepared. Forwarned is forarmed.
I am NOT worried how much money is involved. I would like to know the REAL reason for this alarming announcement about David Liddle orders. I have called DM. Please be kind to the rest of us.
Carol
Thanks guys :)
For anyone who called me after 9pm my time last night i'm sure got directed straight to my voice mail as I did something with my phone that i don't normally do. I TURNED IT OFF!!!!!
I was on the phone from about 9 am my time until just after 9 last night and at that point I just said i'm tired and finished with this for the day.
David LIddle has personally called me 3 times over the past 2 days to check up on what's going on with this situation and what is going to be done about it and at this point everything is under control at least with my order anyway.
I do not know specifics as they (USDA) have been very careful not to mention names of anything. I was given 3 options to choose from as far as what to do with our consignment which by the way contains 330 cuttings and along with David LIddle's advice I think the wisest decision has been made in regards to our order and how to handle it.
dmichael
Ha Ha Mark, I had absolutely no idea that you were "racing" me to reply to Jen. I was sending her a quick response before going to bed. Next time maybe I should check with you first to see if it would be ok to post. Sorry about that. ^_^
S
Oh, you needn't check with me, I'll just assume you were waiting by the computer and have already replied to every post.
Goodness. I am still anxious to hear details so that I may know how to deal with the situation should it arise out here..... All I am getting is "there is a major issue with USDA.................but I have it under control". DM, could you be more specific? Like....fill in the gaps? Of course, I never expected you to call me back..... ^_^
Hawaii is a small place and I know the USDA team here, and some folks in Honolulu. Knowing the 'problem' might be of real help to me and others who have placed their orders with me. Which USDA port did your order come into ... which office did you have the problem with? California?
David...I am sure your shipment is well taken care of by you....I am thinking about those orderthing thru me and others, as well.
Carol
LOL ... wonder what it would cost to call Hawaii? Probably more than I really want to know, huh?
Doesn't cost anything for some people who have it included in their phone plans.....
I guess some of us aren't so lucky ... that's sure a looong distance call from the East Coast mainland U.S. all the way to Hawaii. I do know some folks who have a plan like that though ... sure makes it nice if you have family/friends living far away.
Okay,so i'm just getting in and reading this and getting caught up here on all of the fun that i've missed today.
First off let me start by saying that in my opening of this thread I made it very clear that there were some issues going on with the orders for hoya cuttings coming in from Australia and that I WAS NOT going to discuss it on this public forum and I AM NOT GOING TO SO DON"T ASK me to.
Yes for anyone wondering ,I do consider this to be a public forum. Anyone who pays dues to DG can view what goes on here. My thoughts on that are that if you don't have a horse in the race then you have no business on the track.
I'm not trying to hide anything from anyone here as there is nothing to hide. I just thought the matter at hand should be handled privately between me and the participants of MY order to David Liddle. At this point I have spoken to everyone on my order and explained to them why there are delays with our shipment. And the issue has been dealt with to my satisfaction.
I made mention in the opening of the thread also that there were issues with the orders coming from David or at least with mine anyway and that i had also dropped a bug in the ears of the USDA to expect at least 2 more shipments of cuttings from the same distributor.
Anyone with an import permit has a page in their documents from the USDA containing a list of phone numbers for ports of entry should they need to be contacted. Since I made mention of there being a problem with the shipment in my opening statements I really didn't feel it as being my obligation to contact anyone else hosting an order with D.L. to inform them of what was going.
I just assumed that since I made it clear that there are problems with at least one order that the other hosts would take it upon themselves to contact the USDA and not me to inquire about their orders as well. I am a chef by trade,I do not now nor have I ever worked for the USDA so it's not my responsibility or obligation to fill anyone in on the details of this matter other than the people who are on my David Liddle order and those people as I mentioned earlier have been filled in as to what is going on.
David Liddle has called me 3 times over the past 2 days and I have been on and off the phone with customs and the situation regarding my order has been resolved.
dmichael
First of all, DM - it is impossible to call a government agency to find out how to solve a problem when one doesn't know what the problem is.
Secondly, if you did not want to raise an alarm, why didn't you just email everyone individually instead of calling attenion to yourself and your situation.
Thirdly...why in the name of all that is sacred did you mention to USDA that there may be other orders coming thru from David Liddle. Trying to queer up our orders too?
and finally...it was/is my understanding that we are all friends and we look out for eachother. I had no idea that you, or anyone else felt differently. I will certainly keep that in mind.
Love your sense of community David Michael - all for one and one for one!!!
FIRSTLY:::I wasn't aware that there even was a problem until I did call the USDA,they told me what the problem was and how to handle it. It has been handled and the situation as I said has been resolved to my satisfaction.
SECONDLY::I mentioned that other orders are coming in from the same exporter because there is a problem with the material that David Liddle needed to be made aware of and he has. I'm sure that he,you nor myself wish to receive or grow cuttings that could be a possible health risk to what we already grow, i'm sure the state of Hawaii would love nothing more than for you to bring in some undetected problem that could possibly be of major concern to them. So no to answer your question I wasn't trying to QUEER (you got it girlfriend) up your order
THIRDLY::I don't feel the need to explain myself to you or anyone else as to why I handled things the way I did. It worked and everything is in check.
AND FINALLY:::your belief that we are all friends here and can,should and do look out for each other is ,,,,,,well let's just say it's really something that I can't say here without getting slapped on the wrist by the admins
and my sense of community here is to my true friends who don't do a lot of back biting and regifting.
If you need to know what's going on with your order call Mark. If you look up several posts you'll see that he has quite obviously already been in contact with D.L. and is completely aware of what is going on with the orders to the U.S which may very well end up affecting Canadian orders as well.
I'm done with this thread now. I have made it as clear as possible to you what you need to do and that I will not make mention of private matters on this forum so please don't ask anymore.
The problem with the David Liddle orders is that the USDA found some evidence of fungus on David Eliot's order and held it pending a round of fungicides, with the non-options of destroying the material or sending it back. Really a no-brainer.
I can endure a lot of bickering and smugness, but tipping off the USDA to other orders going out (including those of quite a few other members here) apparently in order to cause others inconvenience, and then causing a big alarm and encouraging the affected orderers to not share the information with others (for what reason?) is beyond the pale.
I'd ask the people who were in on that order to question whether they feel good about being involved in that sort of nastiness, albeit indirectly.
I won't be posting on DG anymore- the level of fighting and indirect advertising here has gotten completely out of control- this forum doesn't seem to be about the love of Hoya anymore so much as it is about shopping and a near mania for acquiring more plants than anyone else and an extreme over-focus on vendors.
Ditto. Except i might add that I thought this forum was about Hoya and their care and feeding - not about secret friends, and secret problems that 'only I can solve'. if anyone has a question about hoyas and their care, email me. This is not a solicitation for business as I have more than I can handle. It is about hoya.
Carol
I think this would be a rare thing to happen. Possibly due to a very wet season we've had in Queensland . David has had it particularly bad with the floods and continues rain. Even our local orders were delayed. This is a storm in a tea cup. Keep posting Mark, I enjoy your contribution.
Roy
I know I'm pretty new here, but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents.
This forum was one of the most knowledgeable and friendly that
I could find ; that's why I joined. I think it would be a shame to lose
any members here, especially the two listed above as it seems
to me that they are some of the most experienced with Hoyas
and, as far as I have seen, have invaluable advice that has
probably helped everyone at some time or other. With the very
short time that I have with hoyas, I know that this forum has
helped me.
So, that's how I feel about it, and frankly, I'm surprised that
more members of this forum haven't chimed in to show their
support as well....
I agree with you Paula. It would be a real shame to lose Mark or anyone because of bickering, for whatever reason. Bickering and disagreements are a large part of life and aren't likely to go away. I say get over it and move on to something more positive. I know this isn't a very sensitive message, but this is just wrong and I had to say something.
Christine
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I am also new here and while my wife and I don't have any Hoyas now, we have always liked them. We got away from houseplants (that's what they are here) when we were raising the kids, but that's done now and we're back at it.
I can't see a single reason not to share the information about the problem with other parties that are indirectly involved. If I had an order hung up with problems and I knew someone else had an order on the way, I would let them know that there was a problem with mine. There is no harm in that, and I think that if the shoe was on the other foot you would want a "heads up". I think we are all here to share and exchange information, and that is the key here. If you didn't want to share the details with anyone other than people that had plants on the order it should have been done quietly buy e-mail, if you didn't have all their e-mail addresses there is also D-mail. If you didn't have all the information to do it that way, a simple note asking people that had plants coming to contact you posted here would have done the trick. If you don't want it public don't put it here, it's as simple as that!
Now I don't think I know any of you, so this is unbiased.
Well said Lotsalilys..........I think a few on the forum want to be dominate the hoya race. And at times they will show ill will to fellow collectors. This has been evident in numerous other hoya discussion boards.
Ric
Sigh....I've been away from the hoya forum for awhile, been concentrating on the outside gardening since it is spring. Then I come back here to find another thread like this. It makes me sad and makes me want to just go back to the outdoor stuff again.
My say: I joined this forum to learn about hoyas and to have a little fun. I've certainly learned alot - from all of you. I hate to see any of you leave. BUT, I am tired of the nasty undercurrents here. I don't pretend to know the who, what, why and wheres, and frankly don't want to. Perhaps, though, a clean slate is in order? Let's (as my childhood idols would say) LET IT BE and move on!
Karen
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As many of you know it only took a matter of minutes for all of the B.S. from this thread to reach the MSN forum thanks to the Georgia Belle herself.
At some point yesterday she began pulling up info that i had posted on epiforums in an attempt to make me look like a liar by quoting me as saying that my shipment of hoyas from D.L.had been in the states since 3/25. She openly called me a bold faced liar on the forum.
In her attempt at trying to make me out to be a liar she purposely left out the thread where I updated everyone on our shipment being delayed to the states due to reasons beyond the control of the Liddles and his reply that our hoyas would be cut and shipped on the following week. When I copied an pasted that info to the thread for everyone to see just how dirty she is in trying to make people look like idiots by only posting what she wants people to see,she very quickly removed the entire thread. I proved her wrong and she by posting what she neglected to mention and she couldn't deal with it because it was the truth.
Well all I can say is, you put things here that didn't need to be here. The order is in and you have divided it up, and shipped it out. Why even worry about all that, but again, if you don't want information out here, don't put it here.
David, give it UP!!! You said too many very nasty things on that MSN forum about a lot of people, including me and you admitted that you withheld information from the forum AND reported other shipments to USDA because Carol had a group order coming. You need to chill out, accept the fact that everyone who ordered from you is happy and move on. It is no use trying to justify your pettyness!!!! Build a bridge and get over it.
Carol
I don't understand. Why do you, dm, pour your feeling out when you feel the
'victim' but when you have the chance to help others who may have orders in
jeapardy you clam up? And all your friends clam up too. You can't explain
what the USDA problem is 'on a public forum', but you can give your
telephone number on the 'public forum'?
You stated that you did NOT believe this forum should be/is helpful and
supportive. How sad.
I guess now we know who is who.