hot pepper seeds wanted

I'm looking for PI 215733-C.Chinense , PI224448 C.Chinense , PI 224706 C.Chinense , and Black Scorpion Tongue C. Annuum seeds.
If nothing on my trade list interest you I may have some pepper seeds you want that aren't on my trade list due to the limited number I have or whatever so send me an E-Mail and I'll see if we can work something out.

Found out what they are
PI 215733 - peruvian chinense,not sure what color-brown,red,yellow or orange-advertised by seed suppliers as any of those colors.
PI224448-Tangerine Bell
PI224706-Chile Blanco
I found seed suppliers for all but Chile Blanco.

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All I have is Capsicum chinense Mme. Jeanette which look cute as long as you don't nibble on them. they're scorching! And they smell nice too! If you're interested, please send me d-mail!

Thanks for your offer but I already have that growing.
I'm trying to replace some plants I lost a while back-cold temps..
In case your interested I'm growing these peppers this year.Assuming that the early ones are early so I can put other plants in their place.All are grown in pots.

C.Annum
cascabel , black pearl , hungarian hot wax , hungarian yellow wax,large red cherry , black negro de arbol , cherry bomb , fresno , new mexico , chile negro , cal. , shishito , red mushroom , yellow mushroom , greek pepperoncini , anaheim , jalapino m , volcano , sweet banana , cascabella , long thin cayenne , serrano , poblono , jalapinolite , numex twilight , mats hot cherry , pequin , red missle , thai red hot , explosive ember , chilaca pascilla , chile de arbol , sandia hot , numex sweet , numex garnet , maraba , pimento tangerine , arledge , remic , venus , zimbabwe bird , bermuda hot , mexican bird , rainbow chile , fish , turkish cayenne , corno verde hybrid , wild brazil , ethiopean brown berbere , carribe , guajilla , aji amarillo , orange thai , chilaucle amarillo , goats weed , inca lost , mayan love pepper , peter pepper orange , pinguita de mono,Bulgarian Carrot,fatali , gold cayene , pc1 indian , santa fe grande , pimiento , little nubian-sore throat pepper , mini sweet pepper , ballon , chicken heart-hinkelhatz , pico de gallo , wenks yellow hot , balloon , chicken heart-hinkelhatz , pico dr gallo , PI 224433 , napali orange-polo piki , explosive blast , padron , italian roaster , lombardo peperocini , santaka , early jalepino , ancho poblano , serrano tampiqueno , flourescent purple , royal black , piquillo , broome , rainbow mix , cabeza de lagarto , chi chien , de rata , grif 1548 , lumbre , phuljadi , filipino , golden treasure , sheepnose , corno di toro , black scorpion tongue , chervena chushka , burning bush , royal black , bolivian rainbow , purple serrano , golden nugget , jimmy nordello , gypsy , puya chile , black hungarian , marbles , haiti cluster , ammazzo , chinese multicolor , holy mole hybrid , starburst , tequilla sunrise , barker hot , masquarade , alaku zold , XI gole , etna , sarga czeresznue , piment'd espelette , chilhaucle negro , yellow peter , aji cereza , purple pequin , petit marseillais , dundicutt , nora , pili plil PI 194722 . macho , key largo , colege 64L , friggatello , super chile , rooster spur , hot apple , aji rojo , aji crystal , cherry bomb , Paprika supreme , italian gourmet , floral gem , tepin var aviculare , peperone-franci sementi peperone ciliegia piccante , oiquin var. glabrisculum , spanish red , verengata trifetti , peter pepper red , largo purple , little elf , filus blue , purple jalapeno , pretty purple , jalapeno

C.Frutescens
japone , hot portagal , purira , red chile , naga jolokia , puta madre,p1 297083 golden frutescens , costa rican red frutescens , zimbabwe bird , ata ijosi , eximium , yellow tabasco , hawaiian super hot , takanotsume , tabasco greenleaf , bradley's bahamian , piment malagueta , ata barukono , brazilian malagueta , laungi


C.chinense

red savina , habanero arbol , white habanero , orange habanero , canun red(red),cancun orange , red habanero , naga morich , chocolate scotch bonnet , vietnamese ornamental , caribbean red , congo trinidad , peruvian chinense , yellow trinidad , red dominica , seven pod , chocolate brown , gold bullet , yellow sun scotch bonnet , trinidad scorpion , trinidad perfume , royal gold PI 315023 , datil , cumari ou passarinho , columbian orange lantern , cachuca , billy goat , bhut jolokia , fatallii red , paper lantern , jamaican yellow hot , madam janette , pi 215733 , pi 224448 , pi 224706 , habanero brown , bonda ma jackque , safi red habanero , yellow habanero , peach habanero , mustard habanero , dorset naga , aji dulce #2 , Ali dulce yellow , cumari , harolds st. bart , burkina yellow , jamaican hot chocoate , red mushroom , yellow mushroom , aji limo , quintisho , aji chinchi ,trinidad scorpion fg yellow , arivivi or aribibi gusano PI5733 , bido tacanq PI 543181 , carmine PI 215730 , ecuadorian devils breath PI 257132 , guyana tragedy PI 238046 , habanero manzano hybrid , peruvian shiney red PI 123805 , habanero a punta giallo , aji limon , black congo , aji unba , foodorama scotch bonnet , congo brown , purple habanero , martinique , tangerine bell , cleos dragon , white bullet , bhg 1725 yellow , tasmanian habanero , rocotillo , naga jolokia , devil tongue , tobago seasoning , jamaican scotch bonnet red , scotch bonnet , maui purple , adelberto habanero brazil , market peach habanero , wiri weri , PI 159263 yellow #2 , antilles caribbean , tfm scotch bonnet , congo de nicaragua , jamaican hot red , scotch bonnet orange , original peach habanero(peppermania)

C.Baccatum

atomic starfish , lemon drop , aji limon , aji amarillo , aji angelo , aji habanero , inca red drop , kaleidoscope , guyana PI 199506, rain forest , praetermissum var. baccatum , brazilian pumpkin , aji chinchi amarillo , bishop crown , dongxaun market , earbob PI 159272 , peruvian orange or naranga PI 446900 , inca berry , fatali tellow , aji omnicolor , ecuadorian devils breath , fox fire , grif 9221 , polumbo PI 439911 , chinchu uchu , aji norteno , brazilian arbolito PI 260593 , aji verde PI 290983 , birgit locoto , aji santa cruz , heartthrob PI 260574 , bulgarian teardrop PI 439370 , joker hat , albertos , queen laurie PI 281405 , aji red

C. Pubescens

manzano amarillo , manzano red , orange rocoto , orange manzano


And a bunch of unknown ornamentals and regular peppers I don't know what they are.

I grow mostly Hot Peppers but I do have a lime tree,a couple blueberry bushes,horseradish and a couple tomato plants-all in containers.





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I'm dumbfounded! Where do you grow all these?

I can only grow a few as I have to do so on the windowsill. Our summers have become too cool and too wet off late to grow them outside......

I grow them in containers outside around the walls of the building I live in.

I live in California and can grow a lot of them all year round.
I replace the early season stuff with late season stuff as the season progresses.
Stuffs sprouting while other stuff is finnishing off it's pepper production.
I sprouted whats budding now in late Dec.

I use mostly 14 X 11 inch pots.I use 13 or so 15 - 20 gal. pots for big stuff.

I have a 4 yr. old Habanero Arbol (tree habanero)in a 20 gal. pot.
I trimmed it down from 8-9 ft. last sept. to 5ft.It's budding now.

I have about 180 plants going now in stages from sprouting to starting to flower.
As the plants grow I move them around.Tall plants over short ones.Several small ones in a container together.Some don't like a lot of sun so they go in back,under something big etc.Kinda like a pepper puzzle.LOL.
All my plants get southern exposure-light from dawn to dusk and they are against a white wall that reflects the light.

If I get lucky and everything goes right I have enough room for everything I'm trying to grow at that time.
As long as I can keep plants comming and going at the same rate I'm ok.

If things mess up I give some plants away and sprout them again to grow when I catch up on the rotation.

We only have about 4 weeks of cold enough nights here to kill off my pepper plants in winter.Most overwinter outside pretty well.

I usually have at least a couple plants to pick a few peppers off year round.

Several like cool weather (tree habanero,Manzano,a lot of the Andean Aji types).
You do have to grow certain ones at certain times or everything gets messed up and I run out of room.

I usually smoke dry my peppers that I make powder out of.
I think this year I might get a dehydrator and smoke the dry pods instead or half dry them in a dehydrator and smoke them to finnish them off.
I'll decide if and when I'm knee deep in pods I guess.
My growing area is about 6 or 7Ft. by 30-35 ft. with a couple stray plants here and there.
My garden resembles a hot pepper hedge when things go right.

You're very organised! Sounds like a wonderful system.....

i have red peter pepper, and very hot chinese ornamental, if your interested

smokemaster, it would be great to get pictures!

With the camera I have the plants don't come out very clear.
I took some the other day but a lot of them look like green blurs in a pot of soil.
I have to wait until they get bigger.
Maybe in a few weeks when more are flowering and they are a little bigger so they contrast against each other.

I'm going to try grafting again this year.
I want to put branches from as many plants on my tree habanero or bigger plants as I can get.
I think it would be cool to have a plant with several different kinds of peppers on it.
One plant with mild pod varieties , another with sweets and so on.
I haven't gotten any grafts to take yet.

Jordankittyjo I can allways use more pepper varieties and seeds.
Is there anything on my trade list you need?
What kind of peppers do you like.I don't have extras of all the seeds on the list above but I have a few of most I could share of a lot of them.
You can E-Mail me with your wants if any...

I just packed up close to the last of my Red Peter pepper seeds to send to gammy.

Your seeds would replenish my backup stash in case the critters get my plants or my timing is off and I can't use a plant when it needs to go into a bigger pot outside in the rotation and I have to give it away because I'm out of room.

I do feed a lot of bugs at times.
I also give them baths in bug soup,that makes them squeeky clean.
Then they get sprayed with neem oil.
That makes them nice and shiney so they look nice and pretty so they can attract a mate and reproduce like crazy and start the cycle all over again.
Sometimes I powder their pits with diatomatious earth in the summer.That keeps down their bug B.O. so they smell nice for when they are attracting a mate.
You should see how in Aug. the little buggies raise their arms when I start to sprinkle the powder around.
It's kinda cute how they all line up waiting to get powdered down-all nice and clean and shiney....

smokemaster/
I'm so glad Tuinkabouter asked you about your ability to grow so many peppers. I was wondering too.///Very interesting / thanks for the info. I have a hard time keeping up with watering things in containers. how do you manage it? I bought those platters to put under the pots but the water eveporates too fast.
Will I have to segregate peter pepper to get seeds from it////?
Never thought of dehydrating peppers. I do tomatoes, celery, zucchini and hot peppers. I love my cheese and hot pepper bread (which is a no no on my list of foods to eat...but I occasionally do anyway)
Any idea of what to do with pepper powder (sweet)?
Don't tell me to smoke it as I'm running around hooked up to oxygen due to years of heavy smoking. Quit 10
years ago but still can gasp heartily for O when I'm doing something strenuous (like walking) without the O on.
I see too many bug movies with a darling 4 yr old I have during working hours on the weekend.......the bugs are darling there on film...but...in the garden -- HAVE NO MERCY! 2 years ago I found my first great big fat bright beautiful green wormey thing...huge. UGH
Am looking forward to getting the pepper seeds.
Fond regards...gammy

I don't know how easily they cross pollinate-peter peppers.
I know some plants do easier than others for some reason.
My habanero arbol so far hasn't crossed in 4+ years so far but my 2 yr. old Fish pepper seems to mostly put out crosses if I don't segregate it by using white glue on marked closed buds or putting something over a branch so nothing can get in to bring in stray pollen.

Try using bigger pots,they hold more soil and it takes longer to dry them out.I use 99% plastic pots.Most are about 2-3 gal. from the $.99 store.They are about 14 in. X 11 in..
A guy I know set up the equivilant of an IV drip for his plants.
He has a 5 gal. bucket with a hole in it that he siliconed a 1/4 inch hose to.He used Aquarium hose fittings to run the hose to his plants and put pinholes in the hose wherever the pots were.He sealed up the end of the hose so the whole hose is allways full of water.
He said the only thing you have trouble with at first is how high above the plants you put the water bucket.Too high and there is too much water pressure and it squirts out too fast.Too low and it won't drip.
He puts weak fertilizer in it too.
Everytime you get a new pot you cut the hose and put another T in the line or punch another hole in the tubing.To seal up old holes you take a hot glue gun and melt the unused hole shut.

I move my stuff around too much to use his type of drip system.
I have that greenhouse netting/screan over my plants because they get southern exposure.They get sun from sunrise to sunset pretty much.
During the summer they would get cooked without it.It blocks something like 80% of the sunlight.
I only put it as a roof most of the time but during Aug. I have to totally enclose my plants with it or they get cooked.
I am also constantly moving plants around -Putting fruiting ones up front,shade loving ones under bigger ones or in back or just rotating them so each gets the light they want at least part of the time.

I also have 15 or so 15 and 20 gal. containers but they are expensive.about a buck something a gallon.A 20 gallon one is $30.00 and a 15 gal. is about $20.00. Mine are close to 5 yrs. old and in great condition.


You can use some chile powder-sweet or hot- as an additive in salad dressing.use it with rosemary etc. tucked under the skin of a chicken your roasting,baking or whatever.
Use as part of a rub for meats,mix it in meatloaf,burgers,pork chops or anything else you'd like a hint of pepper in.
Put some in your oatmeal or corn flakes in the morning.Real hot powder is a real waker upper in the morning.Better than coffee. LOL
Once you start experimenting with it on different foods and or mixed with different herbs and spices you'll find yourself using it all the time.
I use hot powder on mixed nuts.
Get raw nuts-walnuts,peanuts,Brazil nuts etc.
Soak them in lime juice for a few min. ,drain them and sprinkle on some chile powder and put them in a 350 or so degree oven untill they are dry and start to roast/smoke a little.
Use hot (whatever heat you like) in a checks mix.
Make an Italian type spice mix for sauces and soups by mixing Basil ,Oregano,Cumin,dehydrated onion and garlic,parsley and whatever spices you'de regularly use and add in some chile powder.

I've never tried it but someone told me you can dillute liquid smoke with water and spray your powder with it to get a mesquite or hickory flavor and smell.

By the way,Just because I want to grow all those varieties it ends up the plants have the last say.If too many take longer than I expected to fruit or they grow too big, it messes me up big time.
I'm allways giving away plants that I have no more room for.
Last year I only got 90 something varieties grown.
About 2/3rds what I wanted to grow.
This year I hope to make up for lost time.LOL

I had an unexpected vacation in the hospital last summer and when I got out I had lost my smaller plants and almost lost everything.It was 100 degree days in mid Aug.
I hardly got any peppers because the plants were comming back to life when they should have been fruiting.
I lost most of my plants that I overwintered and am basically starting over this year.
I started sprouting stuff in Dec. and they are budding now,some have small pods on them now.
If things work right I'll be pulling them up(giving them away)after I get a harvest and starting a new batch around june/july.
Those will be fruiting around Nov. and I'll start overwintering the exotic ones and fruiting the cool weather ones in the winter(Manzanos and some C.Baccatum- Aji Peppers that grow normally in the Andes so they like cold weather.).

I've been lucky with the tree Habanero(habanero Arbol),it's been bullet proof so far.
It has survived freezing cold,hot dry spels and everything in between and until I trimmed it lst year it was an easy 9 ft. tall.
It's about 5-6ft. now.Still puts out about 5 gal. of pods about 4 times a year in mass but almost allways has a few on it all the time.

smokemaster, are you in the addy exchange? i will get you seed in the mail today

Yes,Do you want any seeds on my list?
Postage?
A ball of dog hair from Shy Ann that she has stashed under my bed for special occasions?
Anything?
How about a couple samples of chile powder?Hot,Milder,and milder
All started out with Cal.chile,New Mex. Chile,Cascabel,Japone,De Arbol,Puya and De Negro.Then to 1 I added Habanero,another got Fresno and sweet mini peppers added,and the other got Jalapeno and sweet mini peppers added to it.There is some Serrano added to either the Jalapeno or Fresno I can't remember which.
Let me know if you want anythig.

hot chili pepper sounds great. i'm in the addy exchange

No Dog hair?
I got lots of it stashed around the place.
Shy Ann won't miss it.

I'll send you some Chile powder on monday.I'll send some seeds too.You can trade them or give them away if you don't have a use for them.
I'm grinding some Chipotles tonight so I'll send 4 versions.
Tonights powder will have Cascabel,California,New Mex,Puya,Japone,De Arbol and chipotle in it with the chipotles..

I just went to the address exchange and saw you like shitzus.I guess you don't need any dog hair,You got your own. LOL


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got so much dog hair i'm thinking about knitting a sweater!

When I lived in Truckee Ca. I did know a person who did spin her Golden Retrievers fur into dog hair yarn and knitted stuff out of it.
It looked pretty good actually.It was all the color of a Golden retriever-Blond and golden white in color.
I don't know how long the stuff lasted before it fell apart or wore out.It looked like it was made of some kind of mohair(SP?).
I think Mother Earth News had how to do it in their magazine.
it was in the mid 70's.

Your dog/dogs must be like Shy Ann,she holds on to her fur until your done brushing her so she can deposit it when and where she wants to.
Nothing like waking up after a good snooze with a ball of dog fur in your nose and mouth.

I think she wants to knit a few new dogs out of the fur for playmates or something.
Or maybe into something she can eat or boss around.

I'll send you a trade or two's worth of hot pepper seeds with the powder.

Japones,chile negro,mutant habanero crosses,fresno,cal. and new mex chile,cascabel,carribe,red chile,red jalapeno.

The habanero seeds keep comming out with different plant traits all the time.
They must have crossed with a couple other peppers.
Some grow pods that resemble Scotch Bonnets,others like Trinidad Scorpions,while others look like regular orange habaneros but larger.
Some take on the barrel shape that the large brown habs have but they are orange.
I don't know if the seeds were from a hybrid or they crossed with my plants.
I grew 90 varieties when these plants were pollenated.Might have crossed with my Bonnets,large chocolate habs,trinidad scorpions or any other pepper I was growing at the time.

I've got tons of the seeds I'm giving you so I include them with some of my trades as an extra.

I also send a mystery seed pack.It has all the stray seeds I find that I spilled or whatever when I was making seed packs for trades and didn't know where the spilled seed came from.
I put all of them in a bag and give them away.
It could have any seed I have had at any time from an Aji to a Zimbabwe bird pepper.I don't know what you'll get.Sweet-hot- Super hot(bhut Jolokia) I have no clue.
Enjoy the seeds.Grow them,Trade them,give them to friends.
I've allready packed your stuff up,all I have to do is mail it Mon.

I have to accidently do some work for a few min.(I work graveyard shift).
Gotta go let Shy Ann snoop around and chase all the cats out before they set off the alarm.

i can't wait. i have to tell you, my peppers were way to hot to eat lasy year

Hi Smokemaster,

I got your email about wanting to trade with me but feeling uncomfortable about customs seizing your seeds. I just had a successfull chile seed trade with someone in Michigan last week. All he did was put his seeds in little 1X1 ziplock baggies and tape them to a greeting card. I didn't need bubble wrap and the only other thing he did was tape the card shut. The seeds arrived in about 10 days without any problems. I had a trader in the USA who received my trades this way just a few days ago. If you'd like to trade, I wouldn't mind sending out my side of the trade first and waiting until you receive the seeds before sending out yours. Let me know how this sounds with you.

Regards,
Elizabeth
pinkangel420 on GW and davesgarden

Smokemaster...

Saw you mentioned grafting your tree. You should try T-budding. Its one of the easiest to do (in my opinion) and if your graft doesn't take, it causes only minimal damage to the mommy tree. With T-budding you don't deal with a big leafed branch that loses moisture easily and dies. It can be done during active growing season.

I can tell you how to do it, if you're interested. I'm a horticulture student so I could also get ahold of some technique books for less than resale and send them off, if you want. My text that I'm using now is really great - its meant for ordinary gardeners and has WONDERFUL step by step pictures.

If you're not dealing with a hardwood-hardwood graft, there are other techniques I could suggest. Its my FAVORITE thing to do in class so I love sharing with anyone whenever I can. Right now I'm grafting a bunch of different buds onto a hibiscus tree so that it will have different flowers on the same tree. Fun fun!

-Andrea

EDITED TO ADD: I saw your post from a while back about grafting. I'd LOOVE to talk to you about your project. I've successfully grafted "spudmatoes" - tomatoes on top and potatoes on the bottom. You don't get quite the yield from either one as if you had them standing alone, but its a cool novelty thing. I wish I had this tree to experiment on...

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I could send you some seeds from my tree or unrooted cuttings in a few weeks (I trimmed it last Sept. and it's just starting to re grow from where I cut it's branches)
I trimmed it way down from 9 ft. to about 5 or 6 ft. high and from over 6 ft. wide to 3 ft. max..

It's full of buds and new peppers now and I don't want to do anything to it until it slows down it's growth or reaches the size and bushes out like I want it too.

I have seeds from last year and the year before from it and seeds from second generation plants too.
I'll have 3rd generation seeds at the end of this summer.

I let the first Habanero Arbol I got grow untrimmed for almost 4 years.
Last fall is the first time I trimmed it.
The offspring I cut off the tops at about 2 ft. to see if they would bush out instead of grow like a tree.
This year the offspring are still only a couple feet tall but seem to be starting to grow from the ground up.
The tallest any plant I know of grown from seeds from my tree got was about 6 ft. tall.

My tree only grew about that tall the first year and second.
The third year it grew to nine or ten ft. high. and the branches went from 3 ft. to 5 or six ft.,it was wider than tall.
Long branches that when full of peppers were wiping out my other plants when the wind blew.Thats why I trimmed them.
They were also looking like they were going to break with the weight of the pods.I got tired of trying to tye it up etc.

I've never seen any crosses come from my tree so far.It flowers year round,doesn't mind cold(it's been in 30 degree cold the winter before last) and 100 degree heat all of the summers I've had it.
So far this plant is bullet proof.

I'de be interested in any info I can get about grafting.
When I tried last year I don't think I did it at the best time for me or the plant.
I was in and out of the hospital and the plant was under a lot of strain from 100 degree days and no water for up to 2 weeks at a time.
Then it got overwatered by several people trying to help me out with watering my garden.They succeeded in drowning most of my plants.Each person didn't know the other was watering my plants and they were getting way too much water.Then we got rain and the tree just put on it's life preserver and swam around until I found out about the overwatering when I got out of the Hospital.
Once it dried out I trimmed it in Sept. because it usually has it's spring type growth in the fall and it's biggest pod output in early winter.

Anyway,if you want some seeds E-Mail me for them and if you want cuttings I could send some latter on.

I don't see any flowers yet on my offspring from the mother plant yet but there is a lot of new growth. on both generations.The next generation seeds are just sprouts now.
Either way I have seeds from my mother plant,seeds from the first of her offspring and seeds from their offspring.
Lots from the mother plant but only a few from the other 2 generations.
I sent a few people all 3 generations of seeds to grow to see what the outcome would be that they get.

I don't seem to get the heigth in the second and 2nd and 3rd generation plants but it might be due to growing conditions too.
Otherwise everything about all of the offspring seems the same,other than plant size.Pods are the same in size,color,heat,taste and quantity...
The year I got the mother plant has been the best year I've ever had for peppers ever.
I think I used regular planter mix (3 bags for $10.00) to grow the first plant.It's composted forrest products,no perlite or peat etc.
As it degraded I put whatever was handy to top off the pot(15-20 gal.).I used worm casings one time,planter mix the next,potting soil the next,compost-whatever I had available at the time.
Like I said the plant is bullet proof,I never worry about it.
For some reason I never see many Aphids on it either even(like now) my other plants have tons of them.
It does get scale but those tiny yellow wasps I baught -golden chalcid,aphytis melinus-took care of them.

I guess I should have started a new thread on the Pepper forum.
Maybe you could if you want to with info on grafting.

Smokemaster: If you post it, I will come! lol

I've never done any grafting of hot peppers before, but I've grafted bell peppers, coleus, hibiscus, dogwoods, tomatoes & apple trees. Some techniques I'm good at, other techniques I'm just at risk of cutting off my hand with...

Do you know the species of your tree? Even if its not the most exciting thing to graft on, things that are the same species but different cultivar will be the easiest things to take. If you can get those, then you could try moving up into plants of the same genus.

When you tried grafting (what type of graft?) before, how did you cover your grafts? I've never had much success with anything but parafilm strips. The grafts seemed to dry out before they ever took.

Well, anyways.... If you start a new thread, let me know and I'll be there!

Andrea

Hey Mike sent you a D mail gammy3