Spring came today; the cardinals were singing all around and other birds too.
They don't do that in winter like that. Also, I saw my fish in the pond for the first time. About 7 goldfish under five inches. Along with them were a multitude of small dark fish; I have no idea of what they are. However, my pond was low this winter and a great blue heron had a few picnics there. I have a feeling there were many more goldfish before winter.
How can I give some protection to these fish? Should I be feeding them now? The pond has a diameter of about 40 feet; is there a limit of how many more gold fish I should put in? I really do like them. I don't even want to start with Koi; they seem so complicated and delicate.
I do have a small area of water lilies, but of course that doesn't help in winter. Should I build a little raft?
How to protect the fish?
The small dark fish may be immature goldfish. A lot of them are born very dark and will not turn gold until almost mature. Some never do. As far as protecting your pond from the hungry heron I have heard that if you place netting on the pond for a while they will sometimes give up and go away. Another thought would be to provide a lot of places for them to hide such as rock shelves or pots that have been turned on there sides. If the diameter is forty feet that sounds like a good sized pond. I would not worry about it being overstocked. With it being that big I doubt the heron could possibly get all of the fish. As far as feeding is concerned you should wait until the water temp warms up quite a bit. If it is too cold the fish will not eat and the food will rot and do bad things for your water quality. In the event that they do eat and it is too cold the fish will not be able to digest the food and it will actually rot and kill them. I have never fed my fish during the winter/spring so am a little fuzzy on what the water temp actually needs to be before feeding them. I am sure someone with a little more knowledge will step in for you.
At 50, I stop feeding entirely. 50 - 58 or so, they are on a grain based diet. I agree that you have baby goldfish - congratulations grandma!!! Koi, by the way, are not complicated or delicate. Mine stay outside all winter, whereas the pampered little topview ranchu goldfish from Japan come inside for the winter. My little basement companions. The colors on the koi are quite lovely and (don't tell my goldfish) they are smarter than some other fish. They eat right out of my hand, and a finger is sucked into their mouths when they are being especially piggy. And little kids love it when they swarm them at feeding time. But the ranchu have their own place in my heart (and in my purse).
Thanks, tetleytuna, I won't feed them. I live in the mountains and all the streams are trout streams so it may always be too cold.
I think I could build some rock shelves and put a couple of pots on their sides. Someone suggested putting a big tree branch in twigs down and trunk out of the water. I could cut a sapling and do that. Would that help?
If the little ones are baby gold fish, then there are a lot of them already.
I have frogs, but I don't know about turtles. I moved here in November so I really don't know what I have.
dbsmith2, my pond is spring fed by dribbles of an overflow from a pipe, Otherwise, the only other water is rainwater from the roof and rain itself. There has been a prolonged drought here as in so many other places. There is no water circulation as far as I know.
Do you think Koi would survive in something like that? Would they eat my gold fish?
I lived in Richmond where there was this wonderful Japanese garden with a ton of koi which were shameless beggars. We would take Cheerios and feed them. There were also huge, huge wild carp too. I loved the varieties, especially the metallic ones. One was gold with black netting and Kohl around its eyes. I named it Johnny Depp.
ahah, someone mentioned herons in an earlier post, this summons 'the heron file' compiled from various ponders experience, over the years....
Herons have a muddle of habits, some go in for neat extermination jobs, others may be picky, leaving the whole body of a fish and only eating the tail section. Go round a lake after herons have been and you will find a lot of variation in kill habits... Yes, they will fly around and around a location on many days before even landing on a tall tree close, for a more careful look... Very keen eyesight and hearing, indeedy...
After a serious heron attack, its quite normal for fish to go hiding for weeks, so you never quite know what has happened.... on a well planted pond with a lot of cover, most fish survive though you will notice the dramatic difference in their usual behaviour and wonder why.
Here's a few notes collected from observations and other folks experience :)
1) Predator nets.... cheaper than losing koi, downside, local animals can get trapped in it, snared. Not very pleasant explaining to your neighbor why their pedigree cat or dog lost its life or leg through strangulation. Predator nets are probably the most cost effective barrier method, a large mesh of around 4" should allow most varieties of plants to grow through it without tangling the mesh. Smaller meshes tend to be a mess with plants, strangled pets, and dead frogs by the time Spring arrives...
2) Barrier method.... Suspend strong fish line taut, 12" around the pond, herons hate trip wires. An elegantly simple way to baffle a dim fishbag on stilts, it often works, many folk have reported seeing herons 'baffled' this way.... a near invisible line that they can't see, bump into, cannot step over without tripping, is enough to stop them....
3) Hiding places... Step up cover within the pond... water lilies.... big bits of pipe, float large sheets of black polythene (trash bags will do) trippy stuff for tangling up predators... hiding places for fish. Surprisingly, many black plastic objects, when submersed become virtually invisible, in a natural setting, so the idea of this clutter in pond is not as bad as it sounds. I like this method, it creates a lot of hiding places and is virtually invisible to the usually attractive pond setting, it makes it very difficult for the likes of persistent herons and raccoons when they raid.... useful in winter when foliage is bare and fish want somewhere quiet, to hibernate, bare crystal clear ponds must be an easy target for predators....
4) Pond design... When you make a pond, make 45° sides, herons have gangly legs, they like 'easy walking' conditions, they hate 'trippy' pond surroundings... The one common weakness of predatory birds is the vulnerability of their gangly long legs, they absolutely rely on an easy landing place, and an easy stroll into the pond, handy shallow terraces are a big help....
5) Trapping... I can't be so fiendish, I cant advise you put out snares... a simple loop of fish line can lock onto a predators leg. Nasty way to die, that
6) Shooting... Not everyone in the world live in areas where herons are protected, or rare... I can't reccommend a .22 air rifle, a bit politically incorrect, even though a heron is easy to hit at 200' with a decent scope, unfair, too easy I guess. Anyone who has used a rifle properly could hit a quarter at 100 feet so for the squeamish, clipping some tail feathers is quite possible .....or hit a bucket placed beside the pond loud and close enough to frighten the bejasus out of the vile fish bag... that is a quite effective clean way....Alas rifles in most peoples hands are quite counter productive, you can waste a lot of time waiting for the opportunity to use it, to learn how to be competent with a rifle and the consequences of a bad tempered person with a lethal tool is well, unpopular...
7) Sprinklers... For the flash and the opulent, linking a motion detector and a sprinkler might provide some amusement to scare off the dratted bird. Or, a hose with a timer, that briefly blasts water every 15 minutes or so, enough to startle a pest... if the risk of absent mind folk getting a drenching is bothersome, perhaps the motion detector could be linked with an emergency service strobe light, that would be enough to freak most long leggedy villains away :)
8) Aquatic plants... A heavily planted pond makes life very difficult for predators, even though the big bright dumber fish will always be taken first, shy nervous timid (smart) fish and the little 'uns ought to be able to find good hidey holes easy... the rafts of aquatic iris, water lilies make life very difficult for hunters to find fish, let alone move around or risk stumbling among
9) Fish feeding routine.... Have a special food signal, like tap a stone three times at feed time. You don't want your fish to associate every visitor to your pond, with a free meal.... one day it will be a heron, looking for freebies...
10) Heron statue... what a novel idea, picturesque even. They always seem to be coming on the market, second hand. Never heard anyone had any success with them, other than folk who sell them, I guess.... Now I have heard of someone linking an owl statue to a motion detector and they swore that worked... that would be a hoot if it hooted when motion was detected....
11) Sonic guns.... There is a very promising new device coming onto the market.... sonic 'guns' that fire a narrow band of extreme noise in a confined direction. Link this to a motion detector and it really will do the job... herons are incredibly sensitive and nervous, a violent sound like that pointed at the pond area will really blow them away when they trigger the sonic gun. Because of the controlled direction of the sonics, its not likely to bother neighbours, much.... Very promising, that method..... Another device that can be activated by a motion detector is a strobe light, the sort that emergency vehicles use, that can drive off predatory birds which are unable to hunt with such a dramatic distraction... that has been reported to keep fish ponds free of attacks recently, not a big deal to find and install.
12) Baseball bats. Herons by nature are incredibly careful hunters, you won't get within 50 feet with a bat. Anyone thinking of trying such a method will quickly learn the bird is a lot smarter than them, and that will be just sooooo embarrassing....
13) Crocodile heads... that might well work in Southern areas where crocodiles are well known predators, however, many herons are not familiar with crocodiles at a young stage, or have never seen them before so in many cases it just won't be noticed, except, in areas where crocodiles are well known...
14) Tin traps.... Another 'scarer' for discouraging prowlers could be a tin trap, a big can with some large round stones to rattle loud within, this can be precariously perched and attached to a fishing line trip wire along likely approaches. Very effective after dark and around morning and dusk...
15) Shishi odoshi.... Another critter scaring method, which may or may not work against predatory birds but is supposedly effective against deer is the Japanese 'shishi odoshi'....If it is a little out of the way without too many neighbours close, this old japanese design for scaring deer might be effective, made out of a few large pieces of bamboo and relying on a trickle of water to keep it going, it's supposed to work on deer, though, moose might be a different matter... It could drive you nuts if you made it a little loud...
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16) Koi 'decoys'.... Believe it or not, folk are reporting they work. Someone somewhere makes rubber? koi which you can moor in the pond in an open area... looking like a dozey sitting 'duck' the heron sneaks up, batters at it a few times, tries to yank the koi plus anchor out of the water, only to discover it can't.... by which time all the real koi are well alerted and in hiding, having a good snicker, I hope
The time when predatory birds go pond hopping is often determined by local factors, drought, floods or freezes have made difficult or clouded their usual hunting places, early morning and fog is often a factor to make them bold enough to go close to places where ponds are, compact sushi bars are preferred....
Herons are creatures of habit, they will 'tour' their favourite water holes quite religiously. When they spot a new pond with fish they will add that pond to their schedule and turn up like clockwork with the same routine...
Their eyesight is extremely good, it is something of a big advantage if the fish turn out to be garishly bright koi or goldfish... Not unlike a neon sign shouting 'sushi bar' loud and clear...
The loathsome fishbag on stilts might circle a promising pond a couple of times about 400 yards away, checking the whole area then appear to disappear over the horizon... They will disappear if they have spotted anything lurking, perhaps a cat, or fox is about...
Several minutes later, they will overfly it once or twice, gliding quite slow, to bank and turn and seem to go away. Five minutes or so they then come very slow, steady and at a low height from a completely different angle as if to take by surprise any skulking entity... hedgehopping, literally...
Should they spot one little thing that frets them, they will abort landing...
They want the pond all to themselves, with no complications like dogs, or people about...
Only then, when they are absolutely sure it's safe to plunder, will they come in and land in a high place overlooking the pond. Perhaps a chimney, or a small tree close to the pond.
Herons quite often explore ponds in gardens during times of poor visibility, fog, at first light when their usual haunts have become difficult, for example when floods have clouded waters, or when ice has formed, the conditions for likely heron attacks can be predicted if you keep an eye on the weather forecast...
When they have landed at a high vantage point overlooking the pond area, they really take their time and look with those beady little dark eyes, to make absolutely sure nothing is lurking before flapping to the best landing spot close to the pond...
I say they, because it is not unusual for them to go about in pairs...
Should your pond be netted they will go to some lengths to try and get within, finding or forcing any gap that they can... When they are safely well within the net, that is quite a good time to, errr....
...surprise them
regards, andy
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WOW Andy, What a wonderful lecture on Heron protection. I was just looking at those rubber fish at a garden show last week. I didn't realized what they were for at first and was thinking. Who would want fake fish in their pond.
I really liked the baseball bat idea, too. LOL
Gloriag, Those little fish are probably baby gold fish. But you can pick up some tiny babies from other sources if you bought or traded for plants last year. I have some small and interesting shaped fish in my small pond. I think they probably came from the river. When they get bigger I will probably have to try to catch them and take them back. One of my sons brought me some water-willow he found blooming down at the river and thought it was pretty. Plus they (both sons) tend to put their mini buckets in my pond to keep them overnight. Some times it's filled with craw-fish (my DIL makes a great Craw-fish etouffee) So who knows what tiny fish came along with that.
did have herons visit my pond from time to time so I cut and painted this one...why hadn't I thought of it earlier, before they ate all my 'pretties'
Wow your herons is beautiful!!! It might attract males herons LOL
Betty