Hi all! This is the thread I was mentioning for everyone to post their plants/flowers with the links to either PlantFiles or some other site to where everyone can get the information necessary on the hardiness, planting instructions, etc... Thanks to Olivia at Timber Press, I did get an ok to use this name as a "Thread Header". She also said that you can use excerpts from the book, so long as it isn't more than 50 words, but if anyone wanted to read a certain portion, that the link to the page could be posted. So, if anyone has questions, you can always look up the book online and get information on such. Thanks to all who are helping those of us who want to "Zone Push"!
Hot Plants for Cool Climates
yep it works
This message was edited Feb 28, 2008 7:51 PM
Good!
the links work if I copy and paste to a word document, but to copy from a word doc to here did not work...darnnn
This message was edited Feb 28, 2008 8:03 PM
red,
That's very odd. Seems logical that it should work -- guess logic doesn't win every time. LOL.
I use two browsers a lot. When you want to copy and paste a link to here, just find the link in a second browser, copy it from the top of that browser, then paste it here.
Karen
Karen, that is how I do it as well, WAY easier!
I agree...I'm just not nice enough to go do it for those 40 links LOL...
Tammy,
OT here, but I use Google for a quick spelling dictionary. In the Google search box type your word. If you are spelling it correctly, Google will just bring up the web site references. If you are not correct, Google will say at the top of the page, did you mean (correct spelling)? Works every time.
Karen
Karen, I use google and yahoo both, but there are WAY too many plants that others have posted for me to go through each and every one of them, which is why I started this thread.
Tammy
Tammy,
I was just referring to using Google as a quick spelling aid when it's too much trouble to look it up in the dictionary.
I agree we all have to post the links outselves. Waaaay too much for one person.
Karen
Karen,
What's a dictionary? I haven't seen one in so long! HA HA HA
Tammy
This is my "try list"
X marks the plants that are currently in ground.
O marks plants that I have tried and have been retired or lost.
T marks the plants I will definitely be trying this season.
actinidia kolomikta, Arctic beauty kiwi http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/796/
akebia quinata, five-leafed akebia http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/369/
X albizia julibrissin, mimosa http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1764/
amaranthus tricolor, Summer poinsettia http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/98345/
arisaema candidissimum, cobra lily http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1082/
arisaema triphyllum, Jack in the Pulpit http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/160657/
arum italicum, Italian arum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1759/
asarum arifolium, evergreen ginger http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2025/
aucuba japonica, spotted laurel "Crotonifolia" http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/122217/
camellia "Snow Flurry" http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/75797/
chilopsis linearis, desert willow http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/265/
XT datural metel, Devil's trumpet http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1235/
X dioscorea oppositifolia, cinnamon vine http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53822/
dracunculis vulgarum, voodoo lily http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2034/
T euphorbia cyathophera, summer poinsettia http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/641/
gardenia jasminoides “Chuck Hayes” http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/151232/
O gardenia jasminoides “Kleim’s Hardy” http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/79807/
X gelsemium sempervirens, Carolina jessamine “Margarita” http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/132696/
hippeastrum johnsonii, hardy amaryllis http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/56501/
X jasminum x stephanense, Stephan’s jasmine http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/80118/
heptacodium miconoides, Seven Son Flower http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2036/
O lagerstroemia indica, crape myrtle http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1/
leucothoe fontanesiama, drooping leucothoe http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/64840/
ligularia stenocephala, Japanese ligularia http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/51577/
magnolia macrophyllum, big leaf magnolia http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/80566/
X mirabilis jalapa, four o’clock http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/92/
XO musa basjoo, basjoo banana http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1251/
X opuntia humifusa, eastern prickly pear http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/62234/
passiflora caerulea or passiflora lutea, hardy passion flower http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1264/ , http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/58221/
X pawlonia tomentosa, empress tree http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/391/
X phyllostachys aureosulcata, yellow grove bamboo http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/81044/
X poncirus trifoliata, Japanese bitter orange http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/55494/
X rhaphidophyllum hystrix, needle palm http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57180/
T ricinus communis, castor bean "Zanzibar" http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/75516/
robinia pseudoacacia, yellow falsa acacia "Purple Robe" http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/81559/
T sabal minor, “McCurtain” palmetto http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/133718/
O trachycarpus fortuneii, windmill palm http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2255/
X yucca rostrata “Sapphire Skies” http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/59706/
(This list will grow and / or change as I shop this season. A lot of this is in my gardener's journal. Some of these are proven to my zone, but I like their tropical "look", so are good for me trying to make my yard look exotic. They may also work for those of us up in 4a to 5a who still want to look different.)
-Joe
This message was edited Feb 29, 2008 7:22 PM
I can add Exochorda x macrantha to that list!
WOW Joe, quite a list, thanks!!! Hi Tuink!
Joe,
Thank you so much! I see several that I want! LOL.
Tammy,
I'm not even sure I still own a dictionary since I get all that info from the internet now. To me, the internet is like having an entire library in my home.
Karen
I have had the Stephan's jasmine here for two winters now. It doesn't even seem to defoliate until we hit below ten degrees. The vines stay green and healthy. The jessamine is still green, hasn't lost its leaves. I can't wait until the weather starts to warm so I can see if the growth will continue from the existing vine, or whether it froze off.
The needle palm is covered with leaves. Some of them have blown off. The exposed fronds haven't burned a bit, and they actually look better than the fronds that are still covered.
The bamboo is doing fine.
This has been a snowy winter, but the lowest we've gotten here in town is zero Fahrenheit. Last year the Stephan's jasmine took seven below in stride. The bamboo defoliated completely. This year, everything is buried in snow and as happy as can be. :)
-Joe
This message was edited Feb 29, 2008 7:00 PM
Yes, the internet is a wonderful thing, Karen!
Joe, thanks again for the info!
Joe,
I just noticed that you can grow the Empress tree! Oh, I've been wanting one and didn't know it was hardy to that degree. Got to get one this spring, you bet.
Tammy,
I have a number of plants that are still on the "will it make it or will it not" list since I only started gardening here last year. But I will report back to you all as soon as I know the answer to that question.
Here's a poor little palm I took photos of today. I am anxious to see if it will come back from the freeze damage. Since it's at a commerical place, I'm hoping they don't just ditch it and then I don't get to find out.
Karen
Karen, Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you! :)
I think that palm looks cool like that, so they best not pitch it! Preserve it somehow if it don't come back is what I would do. Well, if I knew how! HA HA HA
Karen,
That looks like a cycad. Many cycads are only reliably hardy into zone 9. It looks like its core did not freeze. I am not certain if cycads will grow new leaves back to replace the damaged ones, if they decline like a palm, or if they just up and croak. The other thing, like you I wonder if image-conscious retailers will want to mess around with something that may not look pretty again for a long period of time. If you asked them nicely I'd bet they would call you if they were going to pitch it. You could throw it in a pot and nurse it back to health. I'd bet its root system is not nearly as big as the planter it's in. :)
Oh, and I suggest you be careful with that empress tree. It's not invasive everywhere, but you might want to check your state's list of invasive plants to see whether or not you want to plant one. From what I read in areas with less precipitation, and in areas with sharply cold winters it is fairly well behaved, but in the warm wet south and south-east it's a terrible scourge. Once they start blooming a single empress tree will release *thousands upon thousands* of seeds each season.
Some day the poor south will be all mimosas (I grow one of those), empress trees (ditto one of those), and kudzu (no *way* I would plant kudzu.) :(
-Joe
This message was edited Feb 29, 2008 11:42 PM
joe,
What a terrific idea! They're cycads, huh, okay. All look like palms to me. I don't know the difference. There are actually two of them, and they're in front of the place that gives me their coffee grounds. I'll be in there again on Monday, so I'll ask them not to throw it away, that maybe I can have them. I don't think they look as if they are complete goners.
I looked up the invasive species list for Alabama. The Empress tree is not there; the mimosa tree is. There are lots of mimosa trees growing wild, but I've not seen any wild Empress trees. Now, the liquid amber trees are a nuisance. Those ugly little sticker balls are just everywhere!
There are some surprises on the list: Bradford pear? -- I've yet to see any growing wild. I have seen them planted as street trees here, though. Nandina domestica? Everybody and his brother, except me, has that planted. English Ivy? I don't like it because it doesn't bloom, and it's hard to get rid of if you want to. But again, it's planted all over the place.
Alabama's state flower is the camellia -- which is NOT a native. So, who's kidding whom?
This weekend the weather is going to be warm, so I'm going out to plant those reseeding annuals and perennials on my hillside. LOL.
Karen
Excellent! :) We still have about a foot of snow up here. :( Think of us frozen Yankees when you're out playing in the dirt. :) Mimosa and empress tree aren't on our list. Kudzu is. :( It must be coming north. :(
-Joe
glendale--
That Sago (cycas revoluta) you took a picture of, people commonly grow in the 8a and more coastal areas of NC and very common in SC. They do get burned up over the winter, people just wait until spring to hack off all the leaves and they will come back. yours doesn't look too bad, actually :
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53327/
I've had one for a couple of years, but I've been scared to put it out as I don't think it's big enough
and red, as for the needle palm, I'm not positive but I think I recall someone saying it is a SC native (?)-- It should do great for you, that is one of the palms I'd like to grow
edited to add link
This message was edited Mar 1, 2008 8:40 AM
Tropicanna,
They are probably in about 8a zone. In town it is 8b, and it gets a little colder where they are so that's why I figure 8a. I didn't think they looked so bad either, definitely look to me as if they will recover. Does it appear to be slow or fast growing? I've seen comments both ways.
Karen
I really don't have much experience with palms so I think that might be relative to how palms grow....lol...to me they are pretty slow, but they do really kick out some nice new leaves all summer. I've had mine for 2 years and haven't even considered repotting it or anything, but I'm sure in a warmer zone they do grow much faster
They're cool, watch those thorny teeth on the stems, though
Hi all,
I did find some good links for cold-hardy palms. Maybe you can get some ideas here. I'm checking some of these out. I want it all though, cold-hardy and fast growing. I'm too old to wait 20 years for it to grow up. LOL.
http://www.chillypalmtree.com/
http://www.sunpalmtrees.com/Cold-Hardy-Palm-Trees.htm
http://www.hardiestpalms.com/ColdHardyPalmList.html
http://www.centralfloridafarms.com/cold.htm
Karen
Check out "palms in Colorado Springs" at 2Lazy2P, http://members.aol.com/fitzroya/myhomepage/index.html . This site has some of the best info I have found on truly cast-iron palms, and documentation on growing degree days http://pnwpest.org/wea/ , which is what it seems we really need to keep in mind in areas with very cold winters.
Re: GDD 50's, this is the map I use for Ohio: http://ippc2.orst.edu/GL/ddmaps.html
We had over 3300 GDD 50's here last year, meaning that several varieties of palms would have had sufficient growing days to acheive equilibrium and regrow any foliage they lost over the previous winter.
In following a link from 2Lazy2P I found this: http://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/ . Karen, there's someone there growing butia capitata in Nashville, 7b. :)
-Joe
This message was edited Mar 1, 2008 11:35 PM