Ready, Set, Go Organic: 32 Strawbales

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

After weeks of watching our local craigslist.com for strawbales.
After reading numerous ads for bales ranging for $9.00 to $4.00 a bale.
Yikes!
We finally hit pay-dirt, wheat straw for $2.50 a bale.
Yippee!
We had 32 bales delivered yesterday, they are stacked (It doesn't look like much does it) at the end of the driveway.
Tonight we plan (weather permitting) to lay them out and let the snow and rain begin to do the work of transforming the straw into a fertile planting medium.

Dove

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Dovey, may not look like a lot to you, but I see a lot "of work". LOL, should be fun.

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

You got a point there.
I didn't do any of the unloading or stacking when they arrived... just stuck my head out and snapped the photo *wink*

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Let us know how you construct your garden.

Jeanette

Wake Forest, NC

dovey: I wish I had my bales now!

Kent

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Kent, your information doesn't have what zone you are in. I know nothing about Wake Forest, or NC. When will you be starting yours?

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Kent I was so excited when they arrived, it represents being able to garden again... even though it's still a couple of months away.


Jeanette, I'll post a photo of the layout.
We are having a beautiful snow today so we haven't been able to set our bales yet.

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

When can you start your garden Dovey?

Jeanette

Wake Forest, NC

Jeanette: no clue what gardening zone I'm in. After working a 12 hr shift today I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

I'll start prepping my bales around 2nd week in April. Probably transplant around May 1st.

Kent

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Sounds like a zone 6. I am 5 and do my bales the end of April and put the plants out near mid to end of May. Our last frost date is the end of May. I'm not sure when you would do it in the Twilight zone.

We didn't have a moon tonight for about 20 minutes. Eclipse.

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Kent
According to the Better Homes & Gardens zone map you look like a 7B
http://images.meredith.com/bhg/pdf/gardening/hardiness/hzm_NothCarolina.pdf
Oh how I would love to be in a zone 7! That's on the top of my list when Matt retires, where ever we go..."Nothing lower than Zone 7 please"

Jeanette,
We were outside watching the eclipse in a frosty 11 º
Woke up this morning to 2.5º *brrrr*
I hope we can plant around the end of April.


Last evening regardless of the weather Matt decided he would move the bales. His thinking the longer they sit outside in rain and snow the heavier they will get.

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Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Cuervo supervised

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Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

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Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Almost finished

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SARANAC, NY(Zone 4a)

dovey:

I think the consensus is that it is easier to transplant into the bales if the strings are top & bottom; altho there is a school of thought that believes the way you have them is best it you intend to plant seeds - so you can spread potting mix along the prickley edge of the bale: The way you have them is the way Kent started doing this straw bale thing - but I believe he now puts them top & bottom: No right or wrong way - probably some of each would be ideal depending on what & how you intend planting: Your picks are great!

Sunny Perry :-)))

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Hiya Perry,
Matt and I had quite a long conversation (as husbands and wives do) about how to place the bales - up vs side.
Which way holds more water, which way is easiest for tucking in seedling's.
The winning point was that the bales are wrapped with wire and they would probably rust slower and last longer if the wire wasn't on the ground.

We intend to direct sow and plant vegetables we have started in the basement.

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Dovey, I think you might be right about the wire rusting, but do you think they would rust through in one year? I tried using a couple of my bales that looked pretty good the second year, but it wasn't long before I could see I was not going to be happy with them.

I think the main reason Kent changed was because he found the water ran through the straw like "drinking straws", and he had to water too much to get some to the plant roots.

I can sure see your reasoning though. Let us know how it goes.

Matt was really smart to figure they were going to be heavier wet. I hope he had a hand truck for them. Standing them on end on a dolly sure does help. And beautiful Cuervo did a very good job.

Jeanette

Jeanette

Wake Forest, NC

dovey: Perry beat me to it. First thing I noticed was your bales with strings OFF the ground. Just so you can get a better feel, why don't you put at least 1 row with strings ON the ground and which way YOU like better.

It was a dramatic change for me. Less watering and less water run off.

As for the wire, once the bales start shrinking, the wire won't do much good. The bales will hold up just fine regardless. Some may shrink more than others, but they will all stay in place.

What are your neighbors saying about all those bales! :-)

Kent

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Good question Kent. LOL About the neighbor's thoughts.

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Our neighbors next to us (the ones with the red caboose in their back yard) are old and travel a lot. I don't think they've noticed and if they have I think it's real hard to point a finger when you have a fire engine red caboose in your garden.
I worry more about what they may think when we start to tap our Maple trees next month.. ack!

Our house sits back from the street on about 5 acres, we're on a pretty busy corner. I often wonder about the people that have to wait at the signal when coming home from work everyday think of our garden shenanigans.

I remember reading on one of the threads that water retention was better with the bail on it's side. If you all feel confident the wire won't rust away, I'm pretty sure I can convince Matt to tip them over, he's use to me changing my mind. ;-)

Thanks for the feed back, it's very encouraging.
Dove

A view of the caboose

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Dovey, from your description of your property and from looking at your picture, which I find rather cool, I don't think your strawbales are going to be out of place. Especially once they start growing. LOL

Plus, maybe some of those motorists might stop to see what you are doing. Good way to meet the neighbors?

Jeanette

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Wake Forest, NC

Dovey: I absolutely loved the photo of the red bird feeder and the caboose in the background. The contrast with the snow was excellent.

Reminded me of the movie, Polar Express. It almost looks like the caboose is disappearing into the thicket.

Don't worry about the wire rusting. Let'em rust. The bales will do just fine. Besides, when they start to shrink, the wire won't do much, anyway.

Kent

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Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

When I bought that feeder I didn't even think about it matching the caboose, it is a nice composition.

I'll stop worrying about the wires, for some reason I thought keeping the string/wires/etc. in tact was a big deal.

Wake Forest, NC

dovey: I initially thought the strings would be useful in keeping the straw in one, compact spot, but it all stays in place nicely. The bales shrink up, of course, but it you keep the plants staked (Peppers, okra, etc.) and trellis the tomatoes, there's really not a lot of stress/torque on the bales.

Your squash will have a tendency to lean, but don't fight them. Let'em do what ever they want.

Kent

Langley, WA(Zone 7b)

Love the photo of the birdhouse and caboose. You live in a beautiful area!

Gwen

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Well we tipped all the bales on their sides and sprinkled each one with about 1/2 cup of Urea.
(an organic replacement for ammonium nitrate)
The next day we got about 2 inches of rain. I hope it washed it in and not out.

Next week I will sprinkle about 1 cup of Alfalfa Meal on the top, followed by steer manure.

I'm pretty much playing this by ear, modifying the organic methods I've used for ground soil preparation.



Thanks Gwen... the squirrels seem to enjoy the bird feeder much more than the birds.


Dove

"One shoe can change your life"
- Cinderella

Wake Forest, NC

dovey: you're doing fine; keep good notes to refer back to.

Kent

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Thanks for the encouragement kent

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Dovey, what makes your area zone 5? I know a little about how they arrive at the zone specifications, but not all, and I really don't agree with mine. They have me in zone 5 but I have lost a lot of plants so feel it should be rated as zone 4. I now do not buy a plant unless it is rated as hardiness zone 4.

I guess I was thinking, here you are getting your bales going, which I really envy, and we have 2 feet of snow on the ground. Actually, it is ice on the ground. And, even though this might not be a normal year, I still don't usually start my bales until the end of April.

It really sounds like you are doing good. I used Urea last year, but then went to the commercial fertilizer so it will be interesting to see how yours do with the alfalfa and steer manure. Keep us posted.

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Jeanette,
I'm rating my zone by how cold it gets (since that's my challenge) Some area that get extremely hot assign a zone by how hot it gets.
I had hoped... really hoped that we would be at least a zone 6 here, but as winter progressed and our night time lows were in single digits I accepted the fact that I'm a zone 5.

Although I'm trying to choose plants that are hardy to my zone 5, I still winterized them. It's my hope that next year when they are more established they will not need such intensive care.

I haven't planted my bales yet, but because I wanted to grow organically I decided to start early enough to allow for a slower process.

We got nearly 2 feet of snow last weekend which is cool. The snow, freezing, melting process is another way to breakdown the bales to ready them for planting. Right now they look like big white lumps in the garden.


Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Dovey,

Good thought about the freezing and thawing as a method of breaking down the straw. I never thought of it that way. However, even a couple of bales that didn't grow anything last year should show me if that is the way to go in the future. I think. Maybe not.

You must not have had snow since last November like we have. I was just thinking yesterday how the last couple of years we would get a light snow each night to cover up the dirty snow. This year we haven't gotten that. Another reason we are tired of it.

Jeanette

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Most of the winter we have had 1/2 to 1 inch of snow at a time, then rain to wash it away.
I really wanted at least one good snow before spring. Snow just makes my heart happy *S*

It's been sunny and most the snow covering the bales has melted, I'll work them some more this weekend.

Pipersville, PA(Zone 6b)

Dovey: LOVE the photo of the caboose! How lovely in the snow.

Tell me about the alfalfa meal- what is it, how will you use it, what will it do?

And I love the image of you having tea with the steer! (grin!)

Suzan

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Tomatoes are starting to grow, Matt made what I call a Tomato Spider to support them.

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marshville,, NC(Zone 8a)

oh Dovey that's beautiful! Looks like they're more than "starting" to grow...don't I see some little green tomatoes?
Foggy

& I love the 'spider'...pvc pipe?

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Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

We have little green Juliet & Brandywine tomatoes. Nothing but blooms on the the other varieties.
Yeah, PVC is the next best thing to Duct Tape *L*

Thanks
Dove

Southwest, VA(Zone 6a)

Dovey, Must have missed this thread while searching the bale forum initially. Organic is the way to go!! I got started late, but still playing with my 2 straw bales. I'm using composted horse manure/sawdust mix atop the bales... they are just now getting worked up. I'm hoping to plant a small late crop of something. Next year maybe I'll know better.

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

Going organic takes longer to prepare the bales.
I think our garden got off to a slow start because the bales were not quite ready.
The 1st two tomato bales were older the rest and you can see how they seem to have a head start on the others.
You're a little bit warmer there so maybe your bales will process faster.

(I would love to get my hands on a sawdust/horse manure mixture... that stuff is the best.)

marshville,, NC(Zone 8a)

I prepared my bales with blood meal & feltilize with fish emulsion...organic, the easy way....blood meal works fast in preparing the bales

We are still composting our LLama doodoo....will use it next year..still too hot....

down here in the hot climate, my little stupice tomatos are full of fruit & only 3 tomatos on the other stuff....I wasted 4 years trying to grow brandywine with not one tomato. Mostly they don't like the hot nights...they set fruit at lower temps & we rarely get below 70.

Foggy

Columbus, OH(Zone 5b)

We haven't used Fish Emulsion this year - but Blood Meal definitely, it's fast and high in nitrogen.
I agree your temperatures make a huge difference on how fast the bales cook and what you can grow.
My poor daughter has tried to grow tomatoes in Corpus Christi for years without luck... just can't get the timing right.

We have several varieties of tomatoes, from heirlooms to hybrids, we'll see which ones take to Columbus.

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