I have a plant which I thought was Krimson Queen but the new growth seems to have reversed varigation like Krimson Princess I wondered if anyone has come across this before. I have moved the mix away to check it's only one cutting and it appears to be.
Roy
That's the strangest thing I ever saw! You can tell by the leaf right above the bottom 2 KQ leaves that they all come from the same stem. STRANGE....
Now I knew a Princess could become a Queen (LOL) ..... but had no idea that in the plant kingdom a KQ could revert to a KP.
Well, I don't know if it's about "reverting", because it's basically one variegation pattern "switching" to another variegation pattern (not reverting, as in a variegated carnosa reverting back to a solid green carnosa - now THAT i've heard of!).
you are correct Gabro, reverting was the wrong use of terminology. I have taken a shot with the mix pulled right back if anyone would like to see it.
Roy
Yes, I'd love to see that pic, Roy.
Gabi
There we are Gabi, Its shooting out from the node as you can see. As yet no one has commented that they've seen it before. Perhaps it's rare.
That is very strange. It certainly IS all one plant. I have never seen this before. I have seen pots of mixed hoyas where you will have vines of both KQ and KP, but not where they are coming from ONE vine like that.
Marcy
That's very interesting. I wonder if there's some sort of "scientific" explanation for it.
Thanks for sharing, and please update if you find out anything about it.
Gabi
Susan,
Actually, what you have going on is what I mentioned earlier in this thread, and it is something that is pretty common. Unless you have 2 different carnosas in your pot (I'll just assume you're talking about a carnosa) , your H. carnosa 'Krimson Queen' (which is what it seems you are referring to when you say "white around the edges") is starting to revert to a plain green carnosa. This would not happen because of lighting - it would happen because solid green leaves started to grow and are gradually taking over plant. I'm not sure of the "science" behind it, but I think if you allow there to be more solid green leaves, it will eventually take over and turn the whole plant into solid green. The way to avoid this is to trim off the stems with solid green leaves.
Gabi
I've noticed that the reverting to green happens in quite a few varigated plants. I think the varigation started as a 'sport' and eventually the plant wants to be 'normal' again. I have a varigated hibiscus that keeps sending off solid green leaves. Some stems come from main stem and others just shoot out from smaller branches. If I miss one, it seems to become all green in that one section. I have to go right down to the trunk stem to cut it the green ones. It's a pain in the neck in spring when it really starts to grow.
Actually, the hoya is not a KQ, but probably is a carnosa type. I like the hoya just as it is. It has solid green leaves but has pretty veining/patterns in the leaves. Thanks for the hoya lesson but I already know about variegated plants reverting back to all green leaves and what to do.
Susan
Sorry for the unwanted "lesson". I thought I'd clarify since you seemed to think it was the same "deal" as Roy's. But I guess you already knew all about it.
By the way, if it's a carnosa with white around the edges, it's a KQ.
Can you post a picture of the plant Susan? Do you mean it has maybe a virus or something?
IMHO...all of the H. carnosas and its' cultivars have been around for (it seems like) eons. Except for those wonderful plants (like Brenda sent me) which have been in families for a long time, it is really hard to know if what we have is an 'original' or not. By that I mean that with all of the propagating of H. carnosa/cultivars, all of the growing out of seedlings which are passed on as 'waddevah', what I may be growing could have been ANYTHING in the beginning.
As we know, a variegate can throw off a vine that is solid...and if cut and grown out, that solid could very well throw out a variegate. I have had it happen. I think of carnosa as being slightly 'polluted' as it has been crossed and cloned so many times...many of the cultivars have lost their integrity...
I wouldn't worry about it at all...it just 'hoppins' ...
Edited to say that 'variegation' IS a virus - not one that can be caught by another plant, but one causing the gene mutation....
Carol
This message was edited Dec 7, 2007 3:21 PM
Right On!!! Carol ;)
Very interesting!
Susan...can you post a photo????? As mentioned...the finer points about 'venation', leaf shape, etc. can lost in the old cultivars!
There ARE sports that show up from time to time... Like a variegated H. obovata!!!
Susan,
Is the "white around the edges" that you mentioned just on a few of the leaves or on the majority of the leaves? I'm also curious as to what this hoya looks like, because I haven't heard of a solid green carnosa having variegated leaves. But who knows...look at what happened with Roy's carnosa!!
Carol,
A variegated obovata, huh? I'd love to get my hands on one of those!
Gabi
HAHAHA...so would I!!!! Believe me, I am wishing and hoping.
Isn't it wonderful to be working with such a flexible and exciting genus????
Carol
Susan...it is possible that you have a seedling of a plant (carnosa) where the variegation is not stable.... And it really doesn't matter as long as you like it, right?
Carol
Actually, believe it or not people have found many types of hoya in grocery stores other than carnosa. Wish I was that lucky!
I found my first EA hoyas in a Stater Bros. grocery. One was H. kentiana, & the other was DS-70. Of course neither was labeled correctly. Ha.
Marcy
I found Lacunosa, Nummularioides, Brevialata & DS-70 all at Home Depot Garden Center. I always consider the house plants I find at HD, Lowes, Wal-Mart, or Target to be the more common ones. They are usually either mislabeled or not labeled at all. I had you nice folks on this forum give me the correct ID's which I really appreciate! I have about 6 or 7 I got from a dear friend here on DG but none are labeled and she didn't know which they were. I hope to find the correct names for them eventually!
PLL...if you put pictures up of the cuttings, we ***may*** be able to ID them... Some hoyas have very distinct leaves.
Thanks so much AlohaHoya! I didn't want to hijack Roybes thread so I started a new thread with my pictures:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/796764/
