Is ther someone out there who can help me get it into my head what the difference is in the colocasia, xanthosoma, and alocasia ?
I have only been serious about EE's starting this year and I have found out, I really need some help with this. Do you have a 101 on EE's anywhere around here.
Thank you all for any help you can give me.
Sandra
I need to be educated in EE's
LOL! Sign me up too!
Caren
I wrote large thread on the differences of these aroids. I am sure its still out their but I could not find it off hand.
I hope it will show up, it is just a mystery to me.
Sandra
Their are several physical differances between alocasia and the other two. Alocasia have harder, more upright leaves than the other two. Also the Alocaisa and xanthosoma bulbs can be stored dry during the winter while colocasia has to be stored in dirt. Alocasia also require less watter than the other two.
hope this helps,
Rita
Thaks Rita, so is that an alocasia you have in the picture?
Sandra
Here's the ID thread:
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/556614/
ROX
Thanks, Rox and Brian!
Thaks Rox, that is the info I have been looking for. It will help me some I think, I am just a little slow when it comes to something new--lol--old brain cells and all--lol
Sandra
If you need an individual plant IDed, just post it to the forum.
I think we actually have fun with those.
ROX
I will do that, I have a couple that I would like to post and see what they are. I have to get my nerve up to go outside, it is terrible here.
Sandra
I went out and made these
number 1
number 2
number 3
number 4--I know it is called an upright, but does it have another name?
Thanks for your help
Sandra
slcdms don't feel bad. It has been explained to me about 1,000 times, and I just can't seem to grasp the diff. Brian did have a good explanation somewhere, I'll look for it also. Whenever somebody finds it, maybe we should ask that it be made into a "sticky", for quick reference.
Rox put the link above, it is on the tropical forum. Very interesting. I don't feel bad, just "dumb" I want to get into trading with these plants and don't know enough about it to do it.
Sandra
Rox posted the link above... Sandra, It looks altered somehow, the pic. The plants leaves are pointing up so it would be an Alocasia, maybe calidora? (not good with names)
Which picture, number 1 ? it did seem to blur a little, I think the camera was kinds sweating out in the humidity--I was too-it is so bad here today.
Sandra
#4 Sandra, seems like the plant just appears there, maybe cause it's so green.... It is miserable here, says 91 degrees, feels like 100 and won't be better till after sun-down. I step out and my glasses steam up. Thank goodness for air conditioning.
I know, I cleaned out the fish bowl and went on the porch to pour the water on some pot plants, the noon news gave us at 94 with 100 heat index, my temp on my porch is over 100 now.
Sandra
#4 is probably Alocasia macrorrhiza but could be A. odora.
I too, would like to vote for Brian's ID thread to go at the top of this forum as a "sticky". It is a most helpful thread, especially for newcomers to the forum. KK
KK, People, I just posted to the thread and asked if Brian agreed with us, then we can ask Dave.
I think I jumped the gun.
I just asked the Admin to post it and they did. If Brian wants it "unstuck", I am sure they will do it.
ROX
No problem, ROX I don't think he'll mind. I like your "get the job done attitude"! I'm going to go look!
Very Cool!!! Thanks to Dave, Rox and especially Brian for putting it all into understandable word form!
Does anyone have an idea about what the first three EE's are I posted? I would especially like to know what the #2 picture is. I got them from a nursery that closed down in exchange for some work I did for them. It was in the early spring and I knew from the dead foliage there was something in there and this is what it turned out to be, they come back in the pot every year and the biggest the leaves get is usually about 6" long, they have a definite point at the end of the leaf. I kept some last winter in the house in water all winter.
Thanks
Sandra
Sandra-
Could you take two more pics of #2?
1. From the side. I would like to see the stem and the leaf.
2. From the underside of the leaf. I would like to see where the stem enters into the leaf.
Question: How thick/stiff is the leaf? Alocasia tend to have stiffer leaves than Colocasia.
Ok, I will do that, I think I will bring it in the house so my camera won't fog up.
Sandra
#1 is a Alocasia possibly a macrorrhiza type species they called huduras. Looks and act just like macrorrhiza but has deeper cut lobes and less ruffling around the edges it. No one seems to know exactly what it is most likey a form of Mac.
#2 is a Alocasia it could be a mac but for some reason I am leaning more towards Alocasia gageana which is a dwarf species similar to Macrorrhiza usually never getting very large and can slowly grow small trunks.
# 3 is a Colocasia most forms sold are Colocasia Esculenta the form you have looks to be I grow had a dark bluish green leaf and some maroon on the stems. This form produces large tubers and is eaten. I believe this form is a Chinese form but I have no ID name possibly a very old chinese hybrid.
#4 this looks to be regular Macrorrhiza.
thanks Brian, I made the pictures that rox asked for on the small one #2
From the side
This is a small 6 inch pot that these are in for size compairson
this is under the leaf, it is not really stiff just like a canna leaf thickness maybe.
So if it is the dwarf species, how would I get it to grow a small trunk. I have kept it in the 20 gallon nursery pot, but take some out to pot up for friends sometimes.
Should I put it in the ground and under what conditions, shade or sun?
The plants never seem to make a tuber, just have roots and a small ball typwe end of the stem at the bottom, they do spread quite well though.
Thanks again
Sandra
It's can be very hard to ID some of these when they are young. Most though end up being the most common forms around which have been sold and passed around for years in the US. The best way to get them to grow a trunk is to plant them in the ground. They can grow in full sun or part shade rich soil helps and keeping them from freezing. In some of the colder zones the plants are froze back to the ground yearly this usually prevents them from growing a trunk. It can take years to get a nice tall trunk.
Here is a nice pic of Alocasia gageana I have seen this ID as Odora and macrorrhiza a ton of times and usually is hard to tell apart besides its dwarf habit. This one had nice round leaves and good veins. Some look a bit more plain.
That picture has the point at the end of the leaf like mine, like I said, I need to be educated, but are there a lot of kinds that have the little twisted point like these?
When I had them in the house in the winter in a jar of water they would drop water from the little point. It was neat to watch. I originally brought them inside to put into my Beta jar with Mr B--lol--creative naming there male Beta--Mr. B--lol, that was nice until my daughter brought her cat here and it broke them all, so I took them out. Mr B seemed to enjoy swimming around the roots.
Sandra
Gageana is a great house plant. It is one of the few that does as well inside as out.
The first thing I noticed about mine is that it LOVES to pup. Never gets to tall, but it does get bushy!
I put mine in the ground as soon as night time temps tend to stay above 50F. I take thn back in and pot them up when it consistently drops below 50F at night.
I grow mine in Full Sun (Ohio Sun) and partial shade.
ROX
My MIL has one I potted for her in the house for a couple of years now, she has a good place for it in a window and it does great. I have potted some of these up to take to the LA swap at Jeri's house so now I have a name to put with them, thanks to you all.
Sandra