Could I suggest that those of you who want to post photos of the animals you've killed please take into account they can be offensive and post them in a second post in your thread? That way they're not in the face of anyone who visits this forum. In other words, there's no way to avoid those photos if they're in the first post other than to avoid the poultry forum altogether.
All you would have to do is post a first post and then reply to it with the photo in the second post. Then the photo wouldn't be displayed on the main poultry and livestock forum page.
I know there was some discussion in the other thread about children viewing the boards and the comment was made that it was up to parents to control what their children view. Actually, if you read the acceptable use policy for DG, it specifically says that minors do visit these boards and that offensive posts should be avoided.
But aside from that, some of us grownups would rather not see carcasses of dead animals every time we visit the poultry forum. It isn't the hunting forum.
I understand the need to boast a little about taking care of a critter who killed your chickens but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a little consideration of others' feelings too. I think this would be a simple solution.
Dead animals
While it doesn't bother me to view them I don't think it would be a bad idea to use the second box for a pic and would save arguing.
If a thread is titled WARNING or GRAPHIC and follows with description and or pics then the person who opened it is to blame and they can't say they were taken unaware. I do know the "warning" is required on other sites for that kind of stuff. It helps to keep the peace.
I think it's a good idea.
Julie
Just a question. Do you really think, that would stop a child from looking at it? Just wondering. I don't think it would.
I doubt it would stop anyone for looking, its like driving by a car wreck and not looking, you just have to. As far as children seeing it, what kind of children would be checking out this site anyways? Ones that are raising poultry? Then they already know about the food chain and predators.
I do know another site states that there could be graphic pics and butching etc.
Look, I'm not trying to start another argument. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to suggest that what is becoming a regular series of dead animals be put in a place where everyone who visits the poultry forum doesn't have to see them whether they want to or not.
Lora, most of the people I know don't expose their small children to views of carcasses, even as part of a supposed natural history lesson.
No, most chilrden have to watch the news or vidieos to see dead bodies. (sorry, couldn't help it)
Let us by all means take our standards of taste from television news. Can't go wrong there.
Personally, I don't care which folks do - put the picture on the first or second page... Whatever.
More than children getting on here and seeing a picture of a dead animal, I'm more concerned about them living in a "sterile" environment, which "the world" seems to embrace, where the lessons of (real) life are not taught. Consequently, children get a false sense of what life is about and are not taught about life, death, and consequences. ....Times like the ones we're talking about are excellent chances to (teach) children about the real world. Then, when the day comes that (the real world) comes knocking at their door, they'll be prepared to face it and take it on. I know that, living out in the country, our 6 grandchildren have had situations come their way where these "lessons of life" had to be addressed and discussed. They handled it fine and are grasping the realities of survival, and the need to protect the living creatures in our care. They were not traumatized by these lessons, but rather are stronger in spirit because of our willingness to address the realities of life. .....Now, I'm not talking about setting around the dinner table looking at photos of dead animals for entertainment - so don't take what I'm saying to an extreme, but if children are not taught the realities of life, one day.... real life will smack them in the face, and they will not be able to handle it.
I can't help but know what my grandparents and ancestors would say about the discussion over an occasional picture of a dead predator on this poultry site. They'd be laughing their heads off at us.
No disrespect meant and I'm not angry about this at all - do what you want, but I choose to live in the real world - not a sterile environment.
~~ Glenda
I still don't understand the big deal about posting a pic of predator dead of course. How big is your monitor? I had a hard time figuring out what it was when it was on the forum list of new posts , I knew it was a badger but thats it. Its AMERICA and the INTERNET unless Dave's says we cannot, then we can.
BTW, I have seen way more graphic stuff on the Animal Planet.
Nicely said mom! :)
She mentions our kids having to be taught the lessons of life....just the other day a duck of mine got it's head bit off in our pond. So, I ended up catching the turtle the next day and my Granny & Papaw (from the hollers of Kentucky) came over - helped me bring it in....and then we chopped it's head off. My boys (6 & 5) watched the whole thing. Not because I made them - nor were they scared. The animal had killed one of our pets - and the only way to save the others was to get rid of the danger. Kids only are "traumatized" when people make too big of a deal over it. Times may have changed where we don't kill animals to eat & clothe our families - but we do to protect them, our property, and our livestock/pets.
Anywhere you want to post a picture of a dead or live animal is fine with me!
p.s. my kids saw the badger.......not one tear....no nightmares!
I posted this as a suggestion about courtesy, not to start a debate about whether children should be exposed to photos of dead animals.
Several adults have made it apparent they find those photos offensive. Invariably some smart aleck has replied that if you don't like it, don't read those posts. Well, since those photos are in the first posts of threads, there's no way to visit the poultry forum at all without seeing them. With the frequency that these photos are being posted lately, there's no way to get away from them other than to avoid the poultry forum altogether.
Just to repeat, since the point doesn't seem to be getting across, this is about courtesy.
Ok, now I'm really confused. I went back through several months of posts and the only dead preaditors (or animals for that matter) as one coon and the ugly badger. There are photos of everything from cute children, tie dyed chickens to puppies. The two posting in question have had many comments posted and that is why they have appeared so many times. Where my confusion comes in is, why, if these photos are so offensive, have so many people looked at them.
I think it's improtant to remember that this is a poultry and livestock forum. We deal with the process of raising animals for FOOD, not cute little pets. While everyone may not consume their animals, they should be aware of the realities of the food chain and protecting our product.
I think the integrity of this forum should be protected and not fall victim to "political correctness".
Politics has absolutely nothing to do with it either. I'm not a vegetarian or an animal activist, although I'm sure there are other members who are. I just don't want to look at dead carcasses every time I come to this forum and several others have made it plain they don't either.
I think this forum should be a place where anyone can visit without having their stomach turned. I haven't suggested that no one post their carcass photos, only that they make it possible for people to avoid them if they want to. That's not unreasonable or even something that's difficult to do.
Since I just saw this thread (there were no interesting pictures to catch my attention), I didnt get a chance to say anything until now. Hart, I will make sure in the future that any picture of animals I am forced to kill to protect myself, my flock, and my pets is posted within an original thread. I do, however, think that eveyone is making far too big a deal about this. I am a member of this forum because I have chickens...most of which were killed. maybe had I come sooner and seen a post like what I put up...I could have learned that the simple burrying of fence may not be enough to protect my flock. If someone would have said there are things such as badgers that can tunnel 4 feet under a fence...I would have put the 6in concrete, and additional 3 ft of chicken wire burried all the way around the pen on top of the 2 ft burried fence that I had before this happened.
Again...I will make sure in the future that pictures that are posted that are 'gross' are posted within a string.
Please note...your suggestion has been duely noted.
Melissa, Chances are you'll not ever have to repeat the process again. You chicken run appears to be virtually impregnable. I for one am duly impressed. I thought the photo was a bit gross as well but then I'm no Jeremiah Johnson. It is interesting and educational to read and see the content here.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I'm sure Photographer is right and you're chicks will be safe from now on.
BTW, I posted a thread with a bunch of links a while back with info on how to build coops and pens and how to make them secure from critters.
One of my neighbors has put in a small electric fence around his garden and chicken house, maybe 8-10 inches off the ground. I haven't had a chance to ask him how that is working.
Thank you Hart!! I agree with you about tasteless pictures. Futhermore I fail to understand why people with put their animals in the same situation as Christians in a lions den with no chance of escape and then they are furious when they lose their livestock.Jane31
hart, thank you for bringing this up & trying to keep the discussion on track. your point is valid -- i've been told via DMail that the badger pic was initially posted within the initial thread about the chickens being killed, where most of us wouldn't have seen it.
not sure why, if that's true, that the photo was re-posted as a thread of its own, though it has certainly created a spirited discussion!
Only here can we go from chickens to children to courtesy and back. You guys are awesome. I love this forum.
OK, Summerkid just said she was told via D-mail that a dead badger was posted, then why on Gods green earth if you don't want to see dead animals and think she didn't build a good enough chicken coop then why did to go looking for the post? No wait don't answer I already know the answer. Not everyone lives in happy lil communes, the rest of us live in the real world. . And it wasn't reposted in its on posting, she posted it, that PICTURE first then added to her original thread.
Sheesh, on a couple of sites I go to you would be called a troll, a flamer, someone who LOVES to stir up trouble.
This is the greatest country on the world and we can shoot and post what we want!
I didn't go looking for the post, Lora.
Someone who was offended by the photo sent me a DMail yesterday & mentioned the other posting.
I'm not sure whether this is the greatest country on earth because it's the only one with which I'm really familiar, but here on DG we actually are limited in our postings by the AUP.
I don't live on a commune.
Hey Lora...did you read THIS thread:
"Let's start a commune!
.... or, actually, let's throw around IDEAS about how a group of people could live in harmony & wisdom. I would be in charge, of course."
I agree...I think that summerkid should be in charge of that commune. I will be happy as a simple servant in the real world! Seriously people...SUmmerkid...Hart...Jane (specifically), I already said that I would keep my pictures to myself. I said that to keep the peace...and yet everyone else seems to want nothing more then to still up issues!
And Lora was right! I did post a new thread before I thought to put it on the original. HELL...I even sent an email to DG asking them to delted the thread! But they didn't...probably because they have better things to do with their time...as do I.
I have a new way of finding out who the people are who we referred to (when I was 5) as: the little mommy wetters...taddle tales...whiners...
-The next person who responds to this threat with a comment about anything that says that that photo was wrong...affensive...inappropriate...blah...blah...will be forever known as one of the above names (I prefer mommy wetter). Nanny nanny boo boo!
NOW can everyone grow up?
Yes I did!!!!!
OK the Summerkid you have started exactly one post in the forum and here it is QUOTE:
Much as I'd like to, I can barely read the poultry forum anymore because it just seems to be a killing field.
Why?
We had chickens all our lives, and depending on where we lived at the time, they were allowed to roam during the day. I don't recall losing a single chicken to ANYTHING. Just to check my memory, I called Dad the other night to ask whether there was attrition that escaped my childhood attention span.
He said that no, he remembers only losing two, when a couple of dogs came in the yard once during the day. The score ended up Dogs 2, Dad 2.
We always had a wooden shed-type coop with a chicken-wire yard that went 6 or 8 feet high. Sometimes the coops were built on cement slabs. They usually had one window & one human door, plus the little cut-out where the chickens went in & out. Once they were in for the night, one of us loosed the rope that held the heavy chicken door up, and it came down with a bang.
We didn't even have a dog.
These were not beautiful structures but they certainly were sturdy. Even if something dug under the chicken wire, it certainly wasn't going to get into the coop. Is that the key?"
End quote
I personally would love to know where and when you kept a bunch of chickens and only lost two, sheesh. In what years are we talking??
Why would you only start a thread about something to stir up stuff???? Thats exactly what you doing now. My Mother shot more dogs than we raised pigs! Never mind lambs turkeys and chickens.
And I never said you lived in a commune. And on a personal note I have a very nice looking house and it is as safe as I can make it.
Where do your chickens live??
Hey Lora...next spring we are getting 50 broilers...and when they are big and fat we are going to butcher them all. I wonder how many people actually know how food is processed. Just some 'food' for thought. :)
P.S. I just went to check on my chicken...I had to unlock the deadbolt to the coop...and there he was...sleeping. Poor guy...or girl. He will have his new hens soon. Now lets all get some sleep and wake up happier Americans! Hahaha...
I'm going to ask you all to please stop this ridiculous fighting. As far as I'm concerned the issue is resolved and no further discussion, or name calling and arguing, is needed.
Please take it elsewhere.
I thought my last message was pretty friendly.
We cross posted while I'm doing about three things at once.
Name calling? I was under the impression that you started this thread to create a debate. Enough said off to mow the lawn and then into the pool *splash*
Since I said over and over again I did not, I can't imagine where you got that idea.
Alright...the debate has ended. No need in going on...and on. WAIT! You have a pool??? Ok...new argument! Hahahaha...j/k.
Whew! I'm glad that's over!
LoraK, can I come visit? My pool is now deceased...oops, sorry...busted a gut...oh, sorry again...busted a seam...yeah, that's it! And it sure is hot out there!
Mcamden, you've got D_Mail!
Robin
Well I am sure you all are going to hate me, the pool is one of those soft sided ones that you inflate the tube thingy around the top edge. The come in 8 foot ($50) and 12 ft ($150) It is just right for me and it was only $150 at Ocean State Job lots. Pool, cover, pump/filter, handled cleaner thing with a screen and ladder. I float around for hours and it didn't cost me a fortune to buy or keep up! You just inflate the thing (I used a shop vac) fill with water and plug in the pump. So its not a super nice inground one so don't hate me if I accidently mislead you.
Hey I've got one of those pools, it gets a LOT of use !!! The kids love it and I don't have to drive them to the lake after working 10 hrs.
I came home the other day from work and somebody's labrador was swimming in my pool.... how he managed to get in and out without ruining it I have no clue. He was in no hurry to leave either, but after that he took to laying in the duck pool (the ducks were in the pen because I was gone to work...thankfully).
Julie
LoraK, that is exactly the kind of pool we have...had! It just ripped down the side one day. Luckily no one was in it, as the water apparently went rushing through the fence and flooded the garden. I found huge squash I had left laying about 3 feet in from the fence and they were 20' down the row! I miss my pool! :-( I haven't done hardly anything outside since, because I used the pool for my many dunks to cool off. A few of the vegetable plants are struggling to recover, but the rest are really thriving.
If it weren't for us keeping little wading pools around our place, our dog would have been in ours. No, he wasn't responsible. I had put him in the house that day, because he was constantly under my feet while I was building the henhouse.
Robin