Jasminum adenophyllum

This is one of my favorite jasmines of all the ones that I have. The scent of it is truly exquisite! I figured it was worth its own thread, it is so good! I got it from Top Tropicals last summer and over the winter it stayed small and didn't really grow, but then late this spring it took off and it has been blooming ever since-not a lot yet, but there is always a few-to 20 blooms at a time. I am hoping that it will continue to bloom over the winter if I keep it in the grhouse.

Anyone else have a favorite jasmine?

That's beautiful! I'm not familiar enough with jasmines to have a favorite fragrance. I have jasminum officinale and jasminum x stephanense. For me, a favorite jasmine is any jasmine I can get to grow. :) I think jasminum sambac has gorgeous flowers. I look forward to others' comments.

-watching thread eagerly-

8-) Smiley with binoculars.

-Joe

That one looks a lot like J. nitidum which is one of my favorites--unfortunately my gophers chomped mine last month so I can't enjoy it anymore! My other favorite is J. sambac. But I've never really met a jasmine I didn't like (except for an unscented yellow flowering one I bought once--who needs an unscented jasmine!)

If we expand to things that are called jasmine but aren't in genus Jasminum, I'd have to add Cestrum nocturnum to my list of favorites too.

Joe-I have stephanense and I think officinale but I don't think either of them have bloomed for me. I do have 'fiona sunrise' which is a yellow leafed viney jasmine that is hardy here. That bloomed this spring and it smelled good-but it was only a few blooms so far. I think the stephanense is hardy here too-I just have to find it and plant it!

I love the sambacs too-esp Duke of Tuscany-I think for scent, that would be #2 for me. Mine has really bloomed alot so far-I think it goes in flushes though.

ecrane-it does look like the nitidum, and it has a very similiar growing habit-more viney than shrubby, but they were both blooming at the same time earlier and I was able to compare ( the discerning nose !! lol) and I have to say that the aden. came out on top. I should try some cuttings-the nitidum and the Duke both start easily from cuttings unlike Belle of India and Maid of Orleans-I do not have good luck with them. Also, the nitidum seems to go thru flushes of blooms and the aden. has been blooming nonstop since it started.

I wonder which yellow jasmine it was with no scent? I don't want to buy it! It should be illegal to sell a jasmine without a scent!! lol I have J. humile which is a pretty yellow bloom, but it does have a scent to it, although not nearly as strong as the white blooms-but it is a sweet scent.

Ahhh-nightblooming jasmine-one of my very favorite scents-I was just out there smelling it. My kids are sick of me dragging them, and their friends, outside to smell it! I finally got smart and planted quite a few in the ground, as well as in containers on the deck so they flush at different times.

Here is a profuse bloomer-belle of India

Mercy...I agree with Joe...I just love them...ALL of them!!. I have the following: Maid of Orleans (is blooming again now...very nice scent), Confederate Jasmine x2 (why? b/c I didn't see last year's coming up that I'd put in the ground...so silly me, I bought another one...LOL - nice scent - not as strong as the Maild of Orleans to my nose), Night Blooming Jasmine - no blooms yet...my first year with it (can't wait), Poet's Jasmine (Officinale) - small still, no blooms, Pink Jasmine - ditto to Poet's

It was Jasminum mesnyi that had no scent--not sure if it's supposed to have a scent or not but mine didn't. And it didn't bloom for very long either, definitely not one of my favorite plants!

Do you call it the angel wing jasmine? over there...j.nitidum...I love it too and I think this common name really suits it don't you ? and the fragrance is very different to the "Summer Jasmine".....my triffid house eating Spring flowering jasmine is now budding out readying itself for it's enormous Spring carnival of amazing show and smell after which you spend hours and hours hacking it back...but the 6/8 weeks of this extravaganza is worth it....the star jasmine comes in after that....(I think you call it the confederate jasmine ...but I am not sure)....then the Summer jasmines...the common white and the sambacs and this lovely angle wing...the cooler months bring the "poet's jasmine" which is just delicate of vine but so scented and wonderful! ....jasmines a just cream on the cake...what would we do without them! The cestrum ...is considered a weed in Ozz because it is so prolific and spread by birds...but Shhhh I have a clump hidden behind my manderine tree
not to far from the bedroom windows .....mmmm :)

Chrissy, I mentioned you over on a mandevilla thread! :)

As for jasmine-ish things, I want a potted cestrum nocturnum so I can enjoy it here. I have heard stories.

I love Confederate jasmine. There's a brick alleyway planted with Confederate jasmine vines in Aiken SC. It smells like heaven. There's a variegated Confederate jasmine I would love to try, "Hatuyukikazura" http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/69893/ . Just the foliage is gorgeous.

Murraya paniculata smells great. A local arboretum has a huge specimen growing in their greenhouse. When it blooms, oh boy, and the fruits are pretty too. :)

-Joe

P.S. Winter jasmine has a yellow flower and no fragrance. That was my first jasmine option for growing outdoors, before I found Stephan's jasmine. :)

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Joe,
If you ever get seeds from your Stephan's jasmine, would you keep me in mind, please and thank you. :)

Chantell-cuttings are very easy on the stephanense-that is what you should ask for!! lol

Chrissy-I don't blame you a bit for having one near your bedroom-I would too if I had any sun by those windows!

Ecrane-thanks for looking that up-there are several new (to me) jasmines that I have my eye on getting. I did just get grandiflorum 'flora plena' that is very small right now so I don;t think that there will be any action from this baby for awhile=anyone have this one? If so-hows the scent?

joegee I am lucky enough to have a huge old murraya out the front
it flushes white with bloom after the rain (like the angels trumpets) there are so many flowers and so much perfume the bees crash into the brick walls...it is like they are drunk or something....we have to go around the back while this is going on!....I have lived here16 years and it was already up to the eves then!....I have even grown little trees from the orange fruits.....took about 5 years to flower!
I do have to prune about three times a year to restrain it...oh but it is worth it....even if I sometimes get a headache from the strong orange blossom scent. Are you familiar with the M.Laxa? oh just so yummy...if you love the fragrance of gardenia....just imagine that but
sprinkled with freshly ground nutmeg....those of you who love climbers and fragrance you just have to try it....the only thing is that it is without leaves in the Winter.....but you just cut it right back then .

Tigerlilly,

Cuttings? How? I have tried with both stephanense and officinale. No dice. Have you successfully rooted jasmines? If so, how, pretty please? :)

Chrissy, over on that mandevilla thread I mentioned we're still going on about how some plants sold as m. laxa up here have no fragrance! :) I believe you that yours do, but maybe there's something about growing them in a greenhouse, or there's a white variety that simply has no smell. :(

-Joe

Can you describe the kind of M laxa to me (only because I have noticed some naming differences in the forums) a picture even better.....it does not look like the other ones.:) chrissy

Hi joegee....I just skipped around the net to have a squiz and from what I can see the humidity and temps have a bearing on the perfume of the laxa.....in my garden it is very fragrant on warm humid days but even more so in the evenings...have you tried sniffing at night?....my vine is covering a fairly large area so that may account for lots of fragrance....go look in the plant files I see pictures over there ....and if you scroll down to the comments at the bottom you will see what I am talking about......:) chrissy

Joe-I have had pretty good success with cuttings of of jasmine. Ones that I have been able to get cuttings of are adenphyllum, nitidum, duke of tuscany, belle of india, fiona sunrise, polyanthum and humile-maybe others, but those are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head!

Bottom heat (in the winter) and constantly moist soil is how I do it. I get one node in the soil and 1-2 nodes with just a few leaves left on above the soil. Takes a few weeks. I think with your two-that are more viney, that I would take a runner, while it was still attached to the plant and bury part of it in soil that you kept wet and see if it will send out roots from one of the nodes under the soil. I have seen my fiona sunrise, that is in the ground root that way.

I just cut a piece off (about 18 inches.....)and lay it down across the
prepared soil and cover it at least 2/3rds with about two inches of potting mix.....do this in a warm shaded area in Spring or Autumn and it is about 90% strike.The polyanthum (I call it the triffid) is so easily rooted and so invasive that I have to make sure that I pick up every rooted piece because it grows roots ...from every piece left on the ground. :)

Sorry the "rooted pieces should just read pieces *blushing*

Tiger, this is a wonderful group. I am going to print it out and list the ones they talk about and begin to ask questions. I want to learn as much as I can about them. I do wonder if the Jasminum nitidum "Royal Jasmine" is similiar to the J. adenophyllum you showed on the picture. Where do you suggest I purchase Jasmine? Another thing, how do you know how to price it when you finally get to the place where they are big enough. I have about 2 dozen Jasmine Sambac (I think they are Maid of Orleans) they are in 6 inich pots. What would be a good wholesale price for them for example? I need all the advice I can get so please feel free to jump in here and give me ideas. Thanks in advance. I wish I had known you when I lived in Wilmington, NC. That was many moons ago.

Hi Tigerlily,
I just bought this jasmine from TT. Do you know how cold tolerant it is? Do you keep yours indoors or outdoors in winters? In my zone, j.sambac,angelwing,grand duke do fine in winter outside. I appreciate your help.

I've found jasmines for sale on ebay (dangerous to ship them to colder climates this time of year, though.) I bought my Stephan's jasmine from Lazy S Farms (in the plantfiles). I found angelwings jasmine mis-labelled as Confederate jasmine at a nearby Wally World.

As for "jasmine"'s that aren't, I got cestrum nocturnum in here as part of a plant trade. I got my Carolina jessamine "Margarita" from Lazy S Farms.

Two of my plants stay outside for the winter, Stephan's jasmine, and Carolina jessamine, both in protected areas.

I would say wholesale for a six inch plant might be in the five to ten dollar range, depending on the variety?

-Joe

Jberger-J. nitidum and adenophyllum are definitely two different plants, I have them both and I would absolutely rate the scent of the aden. over the nitidum ( not that it doesnt have a nice scent-it does)

I would pinch back the plants that you are thinking of selling wholesale so they are fuller-and that way, the plant is fuller and you can ask more for them and get repeat business. As to the price-I really don't know. Logee's sells a very small cutting (never been pinched back) in a 2.5" pot for $ 15.00 or so. I would think at least $ 10.00 for a 6" that is fully rooted and is branched out some. Depends on your customer also-who they are and what they are going to do with them. I think that I paid about $ 20 for the aden from TT in a gallon cont. If you can grow them out over a summer outside in full sun, then you will really see a lot of growth on them.
As to where to buy them-I look all over the internet and also ebay-there are some very good growers on there, and I have had good luck with the majority of them.

lovestropics-I wish I could tell you how cold tolerant they are in your zone, but you are so much warmer than me! I can say that I would not try the aden. outside in the winter here ( well maybe I will plant one in a protected area next spring and see what happens...) but you can easily start a cutting and grow it out over the winter and plant it in the spring-mulch it well and see what happens. Keep the main plant in a container until you see. I have a feeling though that it is more a zone 10 and higher, but not sure. I keep mine in a heated grhouse over the winter. I can say that it does well in full sun over the summer-and the sun here is quite strong.

I keep the polyanthum, fionas sunrise and the stephanese outside in the ground over the winter. The problem with the polyanthum here is that it is primarily a winter bloomer-and so no blooms for me :( Some in the spring though. Same with the others.

Joe - you'll have to let me know what you think of the angelwing jasmine...unless the one I saw was mislabeled it didn't seem to have as strong of a scent as some of the others. Be interested to hear other's opinions on its scent.

thank you for the tip tigerlily.
Chantell,
angelwing is pretty fragrant to my nose. It is South african jasmine(J.angulaire?sp) is the one not at all fragrant to my nose. Very very early in the morning, I can faintly notice the fragrance but personally speaking--another jasmine would be fine in it's place.

Angelwing jasmine has a lovely pure-white many-rayed blossom, and its scent is not unpleasant, but to my nose it's not at all like the fragrance one normally associates with "jasmine". It is light, delicate, and not so sweet, but it has an almost unpleasant undertone, like sniffing a nice four o'clock with the smoke from a distant rubber fire just barely noticed underneath?

My angelwing is going through it's semi-monthly bloom in the basement. The cat-free room smells nice. I don't mind the fragrance, but there are definitely fragrances I prefer. When my g. jasminoides veitchii blooms, now *that's* a fragrance that I relish. :)

As a point of comparison, I also grow datura metel. I love the look of the blossoms, but their fragrance to me is almost chemically-sweet, like cheap restroom deodorizer. And the foliage, when it is bruised, smells like urine. I have a wierd nose. I just look and admire at a distance in the evening garden. I must say that a waft of datura fragrance on the breeze is enticing, and exotic. I just don't follow it to its source. :)

-Joe

LOL - love those descriptions, Joe!!!! Isn't funny how scent perceptions can differ from person to person? Sure that blooms grown in different conditions i.e. soil etc. produce a different scent as well

Oh most definitely. Different minerals affect scent as much as color and growth rate. It's like acid versus alkaline soils with hydrangeas. I smells what I smells (as we all do.) I know there are people in here who are enchanted by datura fragrances, and they have all kinds of wonderful descriptions. To me (so far) they all smell like acrid, cheap, disinfecting, deodorizing spray.

Go figure.

Them: "What is that exotic fragrance?!"

Me: "That would be 'eau de McDonald's men's room'."

Maybe there's just a pleasant-smelling (to me) variety out there I have yet to snoz. Next year I am trying a double yellow and a triple purple variety. I'll be sniffing them when they bloom. I'm an equal-opportunity sniffer -- I'll stick my nose in any flower once. I'll do it twice if I either like the scent, or can't believe how terrible it smells. If it smells really bad I'll look around for a dead critter before I pass final judgement.

:)

-Joe