Are we the same?

Hello,
Could someone please tell me if these are the same hoya? also what type are they? I lost the tag that came in one and the other had no tag...
Also have a Sweetheart Hoya that was given to me by a very wonderful person on DG. I was reading in another forum that you cant get more the a leaf to grow unless you plant a certain part of the plant is this true? they say a leaf will grow but will not produce more leaves? I have also a picture of that and will post also... One more question if you all dont mind... Is the sweetheart in to big of a pot?
THank you all for any help...
Susan

Hi,
Next picture.. .Is this a bud coming at the tip of this ??? If so then I have two coming on this hoya....
Susan

Ok this is the sweetheart one...
Susan

Susan, I'm not an expert but here is my opinion. The first photo is H. carnosa 'krimson queen' and h. carnosa 'krimson princess'. the second photo of 'krimson queen' does not have a bud, but nice looking new growth.

Can you get a leaf to grow stems? Well, I have read that you can but most of what I read say it takes10, 20, 30 years if it ever happens. NOW, I am just repeating what I read. I have several leaves planted just for fun and to see how long it takes.

As for the H. kerrii being over potted? I'll let someone else take that one. I tend to over pot just a little because I have lost several to drying out.

Hope you have a great day! God bless, -joanne

Susan, I would say yes, the kerrii is overpotted, but a good test is to take it out of the pot and if the roots don't fill the pot and lots of dirt spills off, then the pot is too big.

I have two leaves variegated kerrii that have been in a pot for nearly two years with no sign of growth. I've been told it takes 2-3 years to see growth. I can be patient, but if it takes ore than 10 years, I might just give up...lol...

I agree on the ID of your first photo, and that you have new growth, not flower buds - you'll see a "bloom spur" (called a peduncle) before you see buds. It'll be about an inch long before it flowers, and with each successive flowering it gets longer.

Christine

Christine, I just got a Kerrii off ebay a few weeks ago. It already has new leaves forming. I have it under flourescent lights I'm not sure if that could be why, perhaps you could try that.
I just went back and reread your post and I wonder if you have 2 "leaves" planted? I ask this because I have read that just leaves without a stem won't do anything. I am definately no expert, just my thoughts.

Sandi

Yes Sandy, I have two leaves planted. Likely it won't do anything, but, like all experiments, one needs to be patient to see any results. What amazes me is that they live and produce lots of roots. I just might keep it that way if it doesn't grow, not being able to just throw it away!! It's a hoya after all!!

Christine

Hi Susan 51. Was catching up on latest news and info when your posting caught my eye. Since I've been growing these plants longer than most of you and in some cases, longer than some of you have been alive, I can probably give you a fairly good answer to your questions. First, of course epiaddict is correct on the ID of your top photo. They are not the same plant but clones from the same complex of the carnosa family. The way to tell the difference is that the krimson queen is mostly solid green with cream or white edging, is quite thick in texture and also has almost round leaves. The krimson princess is mostly cream or white in the center with green leaf edges, and is thinner in texture..or just the opposite of the first. Your second photo has a nice strong new leaf stem starting to grow and I can already see a tiny leaf bud on it...not to be confused with a flower bud. I personally feel that your H. kerrii would be happier in a smaller pot. The variegated ones especially are slower growing and don't have the vigorous fast growing roots of the plain green ones. As for hoyas growing from leaves. If you mean just a leaf with a straight stem, no sign of a node or where a leaf might have been or might be in the future, I don't advise it because I don't think we humans live long enough to see a plant grow from it. On the other hand, a cutting with some part of the mother plant attached, will, in most cases make a plant in due time, sometimes very fast, sometimes it takes 4 or 5 years.
Annie W.

Oh rats! On my second attempt at rooting a variegated kerri cutting.....I thought it was toast......I was down to a single leaf.... but then I discovered it had grown roots. I was really pleased and have been babying it ever since having read somewhere that a leaf will grow into a plant after 2-3 years. I don't think I have the patience to wait 10-30 years....but like you Christine....I don't think I'll be able to throw it out, especially after babying it for 8 months. I find kerri cuttings the most difficult to root.

Sandy