I hate to do this to anyone from Canada who wanted to be a part of this, but I think, given the heightened "security" alert, it is most likely not a good time to take a chance on having expensive cuttings confiscated at the border. If you live in Canada, and still wish to participate, please recognize that you are doing so to the risk of losing your money - you will still have to pay for the cuttings even if they are confiscated at the border.
So, now that everyone has had the chance to mull over their inclusion in the order, as well as what they want to order, I have, here, a set of instructions from the Man himself (Liddle, that is...):
1. Orders to David Liddle for the "Ann Strahm Ordering Group" can be done anytime between now and Saturday, March 3, 2007.
Instructions for the group order:
2. Ordering cuttings from David Liddle
a. Each person will need to place his or her order directly with David Liddle. Here is how:
3. Email your order to davidjliddle@bigpond.com
a. In the email make sure to specify that your order is part of the group order being sent to ANN STRAHM
b. Make sure to include your email address in the order so he can contact you with the total you will be charged
c. Indicate, in your email, the type of payment you will be making to him (i.e. credit card, paypal, or direct deposit)
c1. If you are ordering with a credit card make sure to provide the credit card information (name on card, card number, expiration date).
NOTE: If you are not comfortable sending this info via email, note this in your order email and then fax him the credit card information. His fax number is located on the first page of his catalogue.
c2. If you prefer to paypal the payment to him, note you will do this in your email. You can paypal him by accessing your own paypal account and making the payment to davidjliddle@bigpond.com
c3. Direct deposit can be made at Swift Code, CTBAAU2S; BSB, 064812; Account number, 00360202
4. As soon has the necessary certificates are in his hands, he will process the orders and arrange the Phytosanitary inspection.
5. David will send the package with everyone's orders to me. Each order is packed separately in a gauze bag and each cutting is labeled with the name of the person who ordered it. (Please remember, the costs for shipping and phytosanitary cert. are divided by the number of cuttings ordered)
6. David will then send an invoice to each individual who ordered (via email), letting them know the exact amount owed him from that person.
7. When the order arrives to me (Ann) he will process the credit cards for that invoiced amount.
a. If you are paypal-ing him the money, you will need to paypal the money to him at that time.
8. I will immediately unpack the big box from Liddle and send each person's cuttings to them via USPS Priority Mail.
a. Please note that I will only be charging you for the shipping cost, and with very few exceptions, that will be the base rate for priority mail. I would ask that each of you send that to me prior to me mailing out the cuttings, and you can do so by sending me the money via paypal or a check - whatever you prefer. I would also ask that if your mailing cost ends up being more than the base rate, that you are honorable and forward me the additional money if requested.
9. Please read this additional information provided by David: "It takes three days to get to the USA from us but USDA can take a number of days to inspect them and send them on their way, so allow seven days for passage. Because exchange rates and banking charges influence the final cost, the price often does not agree exactly with the amount paid."
Finally, please remember to consider what kind of cuttings you order and remember that no matter what, when ordering from such a long distance, not every cutting is going to make it. I will be sending everything out immediately, but as David points out, there is almost a week's difference between when he sends the cuttings and when they arrive to me, then, an additional 2-3 days from the time I send them until they get to you. In other words, we are ordering big cuttings, but they will be taking a stressful trip with no water or light for up to 10 days.
Hopefully others who have ordered from Liddle in the past will be kind enough to offer some advice on what not to order. I suspect that cuttings with smaller vines and leaves will not do as good as hoyas with fleshy leaves and vines. I am no expert and my assumptions may be unfounded (mere gut instincts).
One last note (I'm sorry if this seems whiny, I just want to be upfront) - If something you order does not survive, try not to get upset with me. I am saying this because I do not want to become the mean lady who cost someone money. And, even the best intentioned person, who might really like me, will naturally be very upset if an expensive cutting doesn't make it. So, please consider what you are ordering, and realize that I am going send everything out immediately, but because of the nature of this kind of ordering, some things may not make it.
OK, kids. Lets try not to control ourselves. For once, greed is good!!
Feel free to dmail me with any questions & the address where I will send your package. Also, David Liddle welcomes any questions you have regarding hoya information, ordering information, etc. You can email him at davidjliddle@bigpond.com.
Ann
This message was edited Feb 2, 2007 1:03 AM
OT: Instructions for Ordering from David Liddle
A fellow DG'er kindly reminded me that not only is there a fine for the receiver, but for the sender as well, if attempting to send cuttings across the border.
Ann
I have been successful rooting bare stems where all the leaves have fallen off, if the stems are NOT old wood and not newish growth. It takes longer but usually works. Also the thinner vines, winding them around a pot on top of the medium and then pinning the vines down at the nodes...covering with scant medium and keep warm. Many times I have had them root and send up growth at every node. Dont dispair if the leaves fall off...
Sorry, MsKitty, to hijack your post but I found it "in subject" to post here.
[...removed OT text...] if there are any Canadians interested in ordering from David send me a dmail.
I can't promise you anything as the spring order is already in motion and all places had been taken but, seeing the interest, I guess we can start getting ready for another one. If I am not able to help in the time line you would like to order I could at least pass on the information about how to get the papers. Believe me it's not a rocket science.
The only hesitation I had to post today and in the past is that it's the first order I am organizing and, being of a perfectionist as I am, I wanted to test the whole procedure before announcing the successful end of the mission.
I hope our spring order will go as we all expect and we'll make some Canadian Hoya Maniacs happy ;-)
May the Hoyas be with us.
This message was edited Feb 4, 2007 9:20 PM
Ewdy...terrific of you to take this on for our brethren in hoyas! Mommom has some good ideas and contacts....how to get the importpermits in Canada etc. - I think it would be great if you guys get to get an order going JUST FOR YOU!!! It is such a pity governments have to get in the way of friendliness!!!!
Carol
Go ewdy!
The restrictions on shipping plant cuttings are really annoying. It's such a shame because the kind people who organize orders or offer to ship plants end up in an awkward position. Shipping from the US, the package must have the sender's first and last names (no more boxes marked from "aunty Jane"). The customs form must be fairly detailed or the package is likely to be stopped at the border. Some post office employees will ask if the box contains plants. And then regardless of everything else, if they find plants without papers, you get fined $100 (or more or less, I don't know the details). http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=2781702
I've seen "peer pressure" put on folks to ship to Canada, as if it's "mean" not to, but it seems to me that it's asking for quite a lot...
Eh, just some observations from other conversations on other forums. It's late and I'm starting to babble. I guess I'm just trying to say that we shouldn't assume people feel comfortable shipping to Canada. Or something like that.
Oh, and I'm really trying not to look at David Liddle's catalog, but I'm sure it won't be long before I succumb (^o^)
Edited in an effort to figure out what it is I'm trying to say....
This message was edited Feb 4, 2007 1:16 AM
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Text removed as I have better things to do than explaining more than once why I said what I said.
This message was edited Feb 4, 2007 9:20 PM
Hi ewdy - no, I didn't miss your point. That's why I started my post the way I did and said "just some observations from other conversations on other forums". Yes, this board system makes conversation awkward...
I posted just in case there are other people reading this thread who assume that everyone in the U.S. should be willing to ship plants to Canada. I've been on the receiving end of that attitude and it's not pleasant.
Good luck with the paperwork! Hope it goes easily.
Okay - I haven't ordered from Dave Liddle before. Where can I find his catalog? What is the advantage to ordering as a group? The Hoya forum turned me into a Hoya addict - now this is another way to feed that addiction!
Bocaginger,
go to the thread titled "OT-David Liddle 2007 catalouge. Open it and there is a link to click on to download a copy of his new hoya list.
dmichael
One of the criteria I am TRYING to base my order on is temp tolerance. I know some of you people have the ones that are considered "warm" How do you take care of them in the cooler months? Do they do well in the home? I sure do like some of them but dont want to waste a cutting(or money) if it's just going to die when I get it.
Thanks for any tips!
Dawn
hello?
Hi Dawn, sorry no one has answered your questions. I saw them but since I live in a completely different zone I'm researching different issues. I'd like to focus on ones that will do ok outside year round here. I know many of the folks on this forum grow their hoyas inside only but I can't help you with which ones do well inside. Maybe someone will come along with more info for you.
Thanks stella...
Patricia, I think the best resource is Carol's list of temperature tolerances, light, etc. found at http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/ghp/AHinfo.php - particularly the "HOYA TEMPERATURE TOLERANCE" and the "HOYA GROWING NOTES"
:-)
ann
ann, thanks so much for that link. And Carol, thanks so much for putting all this together. Helped me a lot to have them sorted by temps and see where they grow wild.
Thanks MSKITTY. I have that list in the DL catalouge. I was just wondering if anyone grew the ones that are listed "W" or "I" in a regular home enviro. Looks like the ones listed "C" will do the best in a home enviroment but that just limits my choices. :( I was hoping to find that some of the warmer ones could grow in a home with changes that I could make to make them happy without keeping the heat up to 90 all year long. oh well
Thanks
Dawn
I just went away from home for a week and left all my hoyas to the central heating of two hours a day (one in the morning, one in the afternoon). According to a local weather site, it got down to -4 degrees (edited to say this is centigrade - probably around 40F?) while I was away. Whilst I can't say this is the temperature in the house, I can say it was very cold when I got home and I had to turn on the heating when I got home all afternoon. But I feel the cold and I was very tired.
All the hoyas are still fine, apart from the constantly sulking polyneura which I think I water too much, and don't seem to have found getting cold a problem. My carnosa's set a couple more buds, making me think that it needed the cold, and the rest look like they're going to take over the windowsill as soon as it gets warmer! The lauterbachii has been kept on the heatmat over the entire session, but that has no lid on it, so only its roots are really warm. It's very happy and has grown another leaf for me!
The complete list hoyas that made it through are: Hoya australis ssp australis, Hoya Australis ssp tenuipes, Hoya carnosa, Hoya Compacta, Hoya cv. weebella, Hoya DS-70 (tsangii), Hoya engleriana, Hoya heuschkeliana, Hoya IML-557, Hoya Imperialis "Rauschii", Hoya lacunosa, Hoya Lacunosa "Tove", Hoya lauterbachii (on the heat mat), Hoya Multiflora/javanica, Hoya multiflora "speckles", Hoya pentaphlebia, Hoya polyneura (sulking), Hoya pubicalyx cv. Pink Silver, Hoya retusa, Hoya variagata (?"Krimson Queen")
Hope this helps
Hills
This message was edited Feb 15, 2007 3:00 PM
Thanks Hills!
Dawn,
after reading your post about temp tolerences I went through and checked my list of hoyas just to see how many I have in each temp range.
Turns out that the majority of mine are in the intermediate range. I dont know how I managed to aquire so many in that range without purposely choosing them that way. When I made out my orders to D.L. I just picked and chose what sounded good to me.
I do have some of what David lists as cool gorwers. If I read his wording right I understood it to say that the cool growers can tolerate a continual exposure to (10C)50F and are intolerant of temps above (25C)77F. My best growing hoya which is my hindu rope(carnosa compacta) is continually exposed to temps during the iwnter of between 40-50F and summer time temps of anywhere between 80-100+F and it grows like wildfire and is currently coming back into bloom.
I also grow bella,fungii,calycina and a few others listed as cool in the same conditions and they all grow fine. IN fact all of my hoyas are grown in the same gh and grow and perform very well for me.
I hope this doesnt come across as me implying that David doesnt know what he's talking about. That's not at all what i'm trying to say here.I am by no means an expert on hoyas or any other type of plant. I am mearly trying to say just take a chance with some of the others and they might very well surprise you at how well they may grow for you. It doesnt hurt to try.
If I listened to everyone who ever told me ohh that plant wont grow for you in your area under those conditions,my gh's would be completely empty!! I'll try anything once (H. caudata 3 times) before I give up on it. I finally on the third attempt have a nice full basket of caudata which is growing very well for me!
Ann, sorry I hijacked the thread!! Sometimes I just dont know when to shut up!!!
dmichael
I don't take the temperature preference list as 'written in stone'. It is NOT possible to limit or restrict plants to growing ONLY under certain temperatures or conditions as they are mostly adaptable and grow well "anyway". The temperature list is simply a guideline...IF you see your plant lingering - are you growing it in a dark laundry room with no indoor heat in Michigan???? Well....carnosa will grow well there but not caudata. Not patella. H. micrantha is from the high misty altitudes with lots of breeze and humidity....so it is UNLIKELY it will grow happily in Arizona!!! I grow all of my plants in the same temperature zone (obviously)...and I try to make them as happy as possible within their requirements...(dry in winter, deep shade as opposed to bright sun etc).
NO ONE can guarantee a plant can life better at any certain requirements...that information David Liddle puts on his site is good...and probably put there because he is asked 'How does this plant grow in the wild'.
Some plants will grow anywhere...and are very very tough...like H. diversifolia. Growing them is easy...blooming them is another story!!!
I have what is supposed to be 2 different clones of diversifolia from Mel. The leaves are noticeably smaller on one than on the other,and you're right Carol diversifolia will grow anywhere and grows like kudzu. The trick is getting it to bloom which is on my list of things to do this year!!!!
I still consider myself somewhat of a novice when it comes to growing hoyas as i've only gotten into it seriously over the past 2 years or so and af few of them have been a bit of a challenge for me. I have noticed though that they seem to be highly adaptable and for the most part are forgiving of the surroundings and conditions that we grow them in.
dmichael
Thanks so much. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks!!!!!!!
Dawn
I placed my order with David Liddle today. Per Ann's instructions, I did not control myself.
I'm so excited......
I haven't been "around" in awhile and was so excited that there is another DL group buy going on. All three of my cuttings from last time are doing great and I was just thinking the other day, "I hope there's another group buy sometime so I can get some more hoyas." :) I'm going to make up my order tonight. Thanks so much Ann!!! :)
I thought I would bump this back up to the top. Just a reminder ... for those intending to join this order from David Liddle, the cut-off date is fast approaching.
:-)
Thanks, I needed that reminder to finish my want list and get the order out.
Ok....I've got my list ready of what I want to order. I had a question though. Do we do the paypal when we email him with the order, or do we just tell him that is our method of payment and then wait for you to say when to actually send the money?
Thanks! Kim
Kim, see the first post in this thread #6 and 7a. Hope that helps.
I saw that....but I guess 3 c2 just confused me a little. Perhaps the paypal email should be listed in 7a instead. Or perhaps I am the only one confused. In any case, I guess we just notify him for now and pay him later.
Kim
Mr. Liddle e-mailed me a while (days) later after I had emailed him with my order.
Ok....the order has been sent. I will wait to hear from him.
Thanks! Kim
I finally quit procrastinating & got my order off to him this morning also. I sent a copy to Ann too (aren't we supposed to do that so she will know who is ordering what?)
Anyway...I hope he still has all I ordered cause I ordered a BUNCH. Ha Ha.
Can't wait now for SPRING to hurry & get here so all these things around here will start growing.
Marcy
Just wanted to bump this back up to the top and remind folks that had intended on ordering to get their orders in ASAP.
Thanks!!!
Ann
Just found out that I'm going to have to move in the next few months. I'm going to pass on this one and hope it happens again at some point after the craziness of moving is over so I don't have to worry about more babies. I have soooooo many plants to move. My hoya addiction will have to wait for the moment. Boo.
Any word on this order yet? Waiting impatiently in Oregon...... :~) -joanne
Yes, I have been wondering about this too. Seems it's been a while since the order I sent. Any word?
Marcy
Hi, folks. I'm sorry for my absence, but I've been traveling ...
I just received word that David Liddle has made the cuttings and taken them to the agriculture department for fumigation. As soon as I hear more I will let you know.
Meanwhile, thanks to the folks who have sent me shipping money and at this time anyone with an order into David Liddle should start sending me their money for postage.
Thanks and I'll let you know as soon as I get another update!!
Yipppeeeee,
Ann
Ann...how do we know the amount of the shipping cost? Is it a set cost, or does it vary by weight? Also, what is your paypal address to send it to? Thanks.
Marcy
Marcy, I'm going to charge $5.10 for the priority mail. If anyone's goes over I will let you know.
My paypal addy is annstrahm@comcast.net
Thanks all!!!
Ann
