I hope I am not out of line with this post, but I wanted to caution anyone that might be looking at Pink Perfektion on the ebay auctions. One just sold for $125.00 for a 3" rooted cutting and another one has been listed. I emailed one of the bidders whom I recognized and warned her of all the facts that I have obtained on this particular brug, which she greatly appeciated and since the reserve had not been met she is not obligated to pay even if there are no more bids. I did not want to see her spend money for a huge disapppointment. The blooms are so horribly deformed and most people who originally had this destroyed it, but evidently it still reached the hands of people that want to make a few dollars in a short period of time I had contacted the seller and explained the history with backup of the facts with websites he could check on. He thanked me but continued with the auction and then relisted again.
I have been badly burned by ebay sellers in the past with misnamed brugs and many other nightmares before I got more knowledgeable through various forums, so I hope this post is not taken out of context. It is meant to be informative and to set precaution. I personally have a Pink Perfektion that I recently received and I will grow it out so that I can see for myself how badly they do bloom and document with pictures as well as what has already been documented, then it will be composted!
Since I am new on this forum, please If anyone feels I am out of line, let me know. The intent is merely trying to be helpful and informative.
A word of Caution for buying on ebay
125.00 for a 3 inch plant is too much money
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Linda, thanks so much! There are so many wonderful new brugs coming along that to buy a known "bad egg" would be a shame. I looked it up on EBay and darn! that's a Seller I have always been very happy with. Hopefully, he will use the information you provided to protect the good reputation he has and retain his loyal fans.
God bless, Margo
Elva thank you!
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Thank you for clarifying that Delisa! I had not heard that about Salmon Perfektion which I have been wanting to get, but this had me wondering! All pics I have seen of SP have been beautiful! Elva--where did you read that?
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i have not had any trouble with any brugs that i have bought on e bay for the last few years . if i had the money id buy that Salom Perfektion
I deleted it ,
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Elva-
I suggest you have solid information before you jump the gun.,and post - rather than guessing! There are serious brug hybridizers that would take your "comment" very offensively. Salmon Perfektion has been very well trialed and has had no problems. Pink Perfektion has had major problems.
mistressgardenr
the thread was deleted...... was not aware there was a brug police on the forums...so I made a mistake I wrote to delissa.......... why are you getting into it....have you ever maDE ANY MISTKES IN YOUR LIFE? I am not a child there is no need for you to scold me..... besides your arent the hybridizer of this brug....I come here to read and learn about brugs I have over 100 of them
not to fight with u are anyone else....... But I will not let u treat me like a child..
This message was edited Jan 24, 2007 8:59 PM
Elva did write and everything was cleared up.
Extravagant prices for plants readily available is ridiculous.
There are many species of plants that are endangered or truly rare, and it is they that compel purchasing and reproduction. Where plants may suffer total elimination from deforestation or development, the cost involved with their collection, preservation and careful reproduction warrant higher prices and meticulous record keeping of pollen and seed sources.
As a Brugmansia hybridizer, I've spent many hours studying the market, sources of plant material and pollens and the politics of getting that material from one place to another. There was a time when the opportunity to produce diverse varieties of Brugmansia was next to nil, as much of the work wih Brugmansia was achieved overseas. Over time, and through the generosity of some European breeders, genetic material found it's way to the the United States and into the breeding programs of many amateur and hobbyist gardeners.
As of late, the progeny of those prior donations of genetic material are flowering and producing plants of equal or better quality than the donor plants. Thus, the new generations of colors, the doubles and triple blooming varieties
produced domestically are becoming more readily available and affordable for the hobbyist gardener. Another benefit of plants produced in this country is their adaptability to various, regional climate conditions. Plants that thrive in tropical condtions have been infused with genetic material that has enhanced their form and color without sacrificing stamina. This is good news for some who have experienced high failure rates among imported (legally or otherwise) plants.
There is enough genetic material available in this country to produce myriads of new and diverse varieties of stellar plants, and as this situation becomes more manifest in the minds of both hobbyist buyers and serious breeders of Brugmansia, the feeding frenzy, price gouging and political intrigue will gradually fizzle out. If anything is certain, it is the fact that the generous few will benefit the many. From an economic viewpoint, supply will meet demand and prices will reflect that situation. As of late, and knowing this full well, many Brugmansia growers are culling out the innumerable and pedestrian varieties of pink, apricot and orange varieties for stock populated with double and triple varieties produced in this country.
The applied efforts of dedicated hobbyist breeders has paid off, and with the advent of these domestically bred varieties being offered across the board, you will hear less of availability problems, price gouging, importation problems, quarantine, and disagreeable infighting about the legitimacies of ownership. If a debt of gratitude is owed, it is to individuals who refused the status quo, rolled up their sleeves and got to work producing better and more diverse varieties for both the sake of the plant and those who find relief from this world's adversities by stuffing their noses up a fragrant blossom on a cool evening. These people recognized the obstacles to being fully able to enjoy Brugmansia ownership and they found productive solutions for circumventing those obstacles to the benefit of all. They have invested time, their own funds, and their own sweat to create an environment where opportunity of legitimate ownership, diversity within the species, responsible prices and a wholesome, compassionate civic atmosphere can flourish.
So, no need for anxiety, policing, infighting, frustration. Look among your friends for what your heart desires. If you do, you will probably find what you want. Look to those who through the forums and community interaction have proven themselves dedicated and compassionate. It is time to enjoy the fruits of their labors and give them a sale or two to keep their work going.
Good health and happiness to all! Greater things are yet ahead! :-)
Very Well said.
Wow Liz, that was impressive! THANK YOU!
Thanks Liz...
Elva
Dear Elva...I hope you're feeling better. I've been closely following posts about your recent health problems. I have been amazed to see how many lovely and compassionate friends you have. You're a very fortunate and deserving lady.
Take it easy and rest up. Spring is coming! You'll need strength to be able to whip your Bruggies into shape! ;-)
I enjoy your postings so much.
Best Regards,
Liz
I applaud you Liz!
Thank you for your words of wisdom, and care!
Thanks Liz
I do have a large group of friends here and at other forums.....
I am feeling better , and with all my friends prayers and support will be just fine,,,,,
Elva
LOL Liz.......
Well Paul do you ?
Brug police is after ya.lol
LOL! What do you accept as proof of ownership? A broken open seed shell?
Mary
it would be better if the seed pod had seeds lol.Paul has grown some beauties.....
OK! Out of your vehicle! Hands on your head...
Let's go through these pockets...
AHA! What are these little brown rocks! They ain't the California Raisins, Mister!
What's this?
A pack of worm castings? Suuurrre it is...looks like contraband to me...
Just what are you doing with an open bag of green sticks...? You some kind of a burgler?
I'm taking you to C.S.I. We're gonna test you for fungicide residue...
:-)
This gorgeous brug is just a baby that I am lucky to be the seedling parent of!!!
We will see what she does in the summer!
Liz - you did an excellent job with information and viewpoints in your post---very well presented. Thank you
To all the DG brug forum members----I have only been a member here for a very short time and have shared brugs, information and tried to be helpful and a valued member, but have evidently stepped on toes with this thread, so I will graciously leave this forum with apologies to anyone who feels offended. I enjoyed my short tenure here and wish everyone great blooms this year. I look forward to a wonderful Brug year
Linda
Interesting about Pink Perfektion. I actually was hoping to get one, but now, NO WAY, thanks to the information on here!
I have Salmon Perfektion, and, like someone already said, it is well trialed. I love mine--it has the cutest little, double and sometimes triple flowers.
Linda, please don't leave. If it was written in the bylaws that we had to agree with everyone every time ....... well, there would only be one member per forum. LOL, but seriously, sometimes we'll disagree with each other and other times we won't. No biggie! There's always something to be learned from another's opinion, even when it's not your own. What a dull world it would be if everyone always agreed.
Hope you stay and chat awhile!
Mary
Go Get her Liz......lol
Linda
there are no hard feeling on my part , I come here to see pictures , read threads and lean all I can about my babies I love brugs. But most of all I come here for all the wonderful caring friends I have made since I been here , one can never have enough friends. and gardens make the best friends because each and everyone has a caring heart
Elva
Things get heated from time to time but at the end of the day all is forgiven!
Caren ;o)
Linda, please don't go. I truly appreciate your letting me know about Pink Perft ! I don't have money to waste on a product that doesn't work, including bad flowers. You're an asset here and Elva is a wonderful lady. Forget the past and let's grow brugs together. Liz is a Master at this thing called Brugs!! She has the most incredible stuff to show us all the time. One day I want to be just like her and Kell and Mary and quite a few others here!!! Only takes time I've been told. Time I have. Please don't leave us.
I'm soaking seeds and can't wait for my first "litter", lol :))
Please stay, you're amongst very solid friends here!! God bless, Margo