I'm fairly sure this is a Crinum....but what species,...I've checked the plant files,...
but the flower color seems too " washed-out" or faded to be a scabrum, fimbiatulum or zeylanicum.....maybe moorei or one of the variations....I don't know,...maybe I'm in the wrong ball park. Thanks in advance for all input!
here's the old home site where there's a large group goin' wild!
They've clogged the ditch for ten yards and I found some young'n's
25 yards down to a drainage ravine....think they've been here for a while....took these pics 2 days ago.
They are definitely crinums. Could very well be americanum the way its off-setting. I need to look closer at the ends of the leaves but I gotta go to work right now. I have seen huge clumps of americanum like that around our area and all the way over to Port Arthur/Beaumont--you can even see some of them from I10 and that hwy that cuts thru Winnie to PA (which I forget the # of right now).
I took time to do a quick review the listings at Pacific Bulb Society this morning...and think this flower is similar(considering shape & color only) to C. 'Old Maid' or maybe C. 'Maiden's Blush' (hybrids by T. Howard) or perhaps C. goweni
C. 'Alamo Village' (discovered by T. Howard) is similar but more "spidery" shape...like the americanum or asiaticum - with narrow tepaled flowers.
Interesting! thx!
Hey Willis..Are these growing on an Old Abandoned homesite?..LOL..if so where in Willis..Jeanne
Hi Jeanne,.actually,...they're within what use to be the yard,...through the fence,...out towards the road,...down into the ditch,...etc. Check out the pic of what remains of the old house.....I'm surprised that it hasn't been burned down by someone,....since too many times,..you see in the news where an abandoned/dilapidated house has been set on fire by transients or delinquents.
East side of the elementary school, the road that runs behind it...branches off old 75 right there by the old Mexican Restaurant (now Willis Cafe),just N. of D's
Cedar Chest Antique shop, I think. Plenty there between the ditch & fence....so there's no need to encroach into the property within the fence...it's overgrown with brush - weeds anyway.....there's also some Narcissus tazetta italica growin' right on the fence...if you want to tackle the brush!
I'm sure you've also seen the Crinums that "were" growin' on the south side of 1097 as you're leavin' town goin' east...just before the cemetery....they're gone now.....since there's widening for a turn lane,...or for an improved shoulder...being conducted by the County....the crew just scraped them away....oh well,....I was able to dig 3 Crinums before they cleared the area.
edited to include correct names of cafe, shop
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What a great stand of Crinums!
My guess would be that it is a var or hybrid of C. bulbispermum (such as C. x gowenii) judging by the glaucous or "frosty" foliage and the angle of the foliage. 'Maiden's Blush" and 'Old Maid' have greener-looking foliage that is more upright and are less drought-tolerant than, say, bulbispermum or as x gowenii var.
Many bulbispermum hybrids readily set seed which would explain the spread of those there, producing an ever-widening stand with all the ones springing up along the drainage ditch where rain could both wash them along and give them much-needed moisture during rains.
Also: Maiden's Blush doesn't set seed. Old Maid will set a few, but I'm not sure if it needs another pollinator or will self-seed.
Many old stands of Crinum got their start as a pass-along plant which might have been a seedling and not an offset, or an offset from a seed-started plant. Seedlings would be different from the named variety it descended from.
Have any idea how long they have been in that spot? Wonder if you could find the person that planted them or knows someone who knows where they came from?
R.
Thank you....Raydio!! I'm just now beginning to study the Crinums and love to learn the details. I noticed the differences between the 'Old Maid' & 'Maiden's Blush' foliages and that of the C. x gowenii but included them in my greenhorn guess or possiblities based on the flowers....they seemed to have shiny,fleshy foliage like a Hippeastrum.
Do many other Crinums bloom this time of the year?
I'd like to discover the history as well,....perhaps JeanneTx knows someone who can provide that??
You may have a variety of Crinum herbertii. Many of these old Crinums were planted in gardens from the turn of the century on, and they're often found in old graveyards (people used to plant them as a permanent tribute, because they resembled lilies). They have a bit of scabrum and are generally considered a natural hybrid.
The foliage is wavy like scabrum....thanks Gordo,...for the lineage...
Also, let me say that I've really enjoyed your photos of and information about Hippeastrums that you've been sharing with us the past couple of months or so....a great help to those of us with our toes in the water.....just breaking the surface :~)
Thanks again!
Lee
Lee~
It's a bit unusual around these parts for a Crinum to be anything but a mass of mush this time of year! But maybe some others further south can fill you in. With 2006 as the warmest year on record, and that trend prolly continuing, it might become more common as we go on.......
One thing you can do though right now, is to go and pollinate some of the flowers to see if they set seed from selfing. That would narrow things down a touch, either way.
R.
Thanks Raydio....after my last post,...I went to dinner thinking about
this thread.....I thought.. THEN...that I should have also given you some special thanks, as well,...because of your sharing your pics & knowledge of Hippeastrums....and now Crinums :)
I've really enjoyed reading y'alls discussions...observations. I, personally,....have learned a great deal by just "listening in"(and "lookin' in" w/the photos)... on so many interesting topics.
I drove by them today about 4:00 pm and the flowers were closed up...
I'd love to try pollinating these or any of the following siblings' flowers.
Hmmm,...the weather.......seems, sometimes,...that we're treadin' new territory each day.
Yep,...definitely a similar flower....and the foliage looks similar as well.
I looked at herbertii initially,....thinking (going by photo example I reviewed)...that the stripe in the throat of my example is less prominent...but I'm beginning to assume that the variations from one plant to another is to be expected...is this correct thinking?
Ahhh! Well good,....now I have a few specimens of this particular version! Thanks again to all for the information!!!
I am growing about 7 different varieties of Crinum but haven't seen any bloom during this time of the year...Mine usually bloom in summer....Jeanne
JeanneTx
Take a look at Marcelles site.
http://crinum.iconx.com/index.html
Larry
Jeanne,....Did you go look at this group in Willis?
Thanks Larry..I have known of Marcelle for years...awesome isn't she...she has some really expensive ones too..
No Willis..I haven't..it feels cold on the lake this morning..might take a ride out there next week...I live off 830...so are you saying to go to Willis and go North on 75??...Jeanne
Another of my Crinums...
Yep - left on 75 - past next light - a few blocks to the W. Cafe - left on Danville - just past school on the right
your crinums are beautiful!
Thanks...I have a Purple leaf Crinum that a gardening bud gave me for 5 bucks and that sucker is huge...it never bloomed last year but made tons of pups all around it...I sure hope it blooms this year, for I want to see what it looks like..it's the biggest crinum I have ever had!!
Jeanne said "I have a Purple leaf Crinum..."
Oh you must post some pix of it sometime and of course when it blooms!!
Sounds like one of "Queen Emma's Lily" of Hawaii, possibly a red-leaved form of C. procerum, but also known generally as C. augustum. And they do get large, making a tree-like growth with leaves up to six feet long! Wowsers!
R.
Oh Jeanne,...if your pups get out of control....I would gladly give a couple a good home! :~)
R.
I can't remember the name..but he said they were very expensive and if I gave him 5 bucks to cover him sending it to me from Houston..then I could have one..I was shocked at the size of the bulb!! I went out and took this just for you today since we are suppose to have a freeze/ice storm coming!!...grrrrrrrrr...here it is next to my Crape Myrtle (Dingy me...It will have to be moved..I had no idea it got so huge)
Willis..sure hon..come on to Lake Conroe and well dig 'em up...here is a pic of the pups all around the Momma
and here is a close up pic inside so you can see the colour..it's unusual to me!!...Jeanne
Jeanne~
What a beauty! Thanks for the pix.
It might be the one known as 'Sangria': http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/04188.html
Or one like this: http://www.raretrees.org/crin76.html
R.
Wow,...amazing!
You must be in or near the Panorama area...I'd love to get together sometime and dig 'em up (when it's comfortable!)...hopefully,...I may have something to share with you...as well. Thanks Jeanne,...for the offer! do you have and/or would you like any Oxblood lilies or Red Spider lilies....or Zephyranthus candida Rain lilies....I'll get a better list of "stuff" together...if there's anything you'd like....I'd be delighted to provide them!
R....thanks for the link..I also have a "Hymenocallis " which reminds me of that second link your showed..
Willis..I have Zephranthus..several that I bought from Yuccado Nursery and Red Spiderlilys...yea..you'll have to list somethings you have too much of that you'd like to share..OOooo..we could have so much fun swapping plants..woohoo...I live at the end of 830 in 7 Coves...along ways from Panorama...
Here is my Hymenocallis...unless it's a crinum that I mistook for it?..LOL
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And here is a closeup..
Looks like Hymenocallis to me....
I was given this bunch by a sweet 80+ yr old lady in New Orleans (actually,..I split a large clump of hers, at her request)...she claimed that she obtained them once during a trip to Florida, years ago)
So many look so similar to a novice...so I'm not certain which species they are.
7 Coves is a beautiful area! BTW - I have numerous of those I mentioned including Oxbloods !
How kewl is that..we have the same "Hymenocallis'~!~...I have the name somewhere..I'll share my favourite site for id-ing bulbs....Thanks...we just love living here...we moved from Spring, Texas 4 years ago this April...wished we'd done it years ago!!
http://www.bulbsociety.org/
The Gallery with pictures..drop down menu..really neat!!
http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/index.html
I think ours might be: 'Hymenocallis caribaea'
http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Hymenocallis/Hymenocallislist.shtml
http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPHICS/Hymenocallis/Hymenocallis_caribaea/Hymenocallis_caribaea.html
