Rhodophiala bifida seedlings

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

I was very pleased to have some of my most recently acquired Oxblood Lilies
produce seed this year....I planted as soon as they were popping open.....and
much to my surprise,.....almost 100% germinated. Some of the seedlings are
irregular in their growth....kinda crooked or bent...instead of straight. Don't know what causes this.....maybe someone can advise. They're still growin' OK otherwise! Since I have a "dial-up" connection....it takes a while to load pics...I'll try to get a few others on before I run out of time!

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Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

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west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

Then you definitely don't have the more vigorous triploid strain--they are sterile. Good Luck! =)

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

seed pods

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Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

At least this bunch may not be triploid strain....all my others have never produced seed

west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

diploids and triploids--the difference is like Lycoris radiata--one is the heirloom variety (triploid-sterile: Lycoris radiata var. radiata and the other is Lycoris radiata). The vigorous triploids are the heirloom varieties. TRhe others are not.

I know, I earn a living from it.

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

Interesting.......this recent bunch came from an old former farm/homesite near the Austin area. I have another group from the Liberty area that had seed pods as well.

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Josephine, Arlington, TX(Zone 8a)

Mine have never made seedpods, but I didn't know why, now I know, thanks to you Debbie.
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Your seedlings will probably straighten up as they get a little stronger Lee, it should be a fun experiment.
Josephine.

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

I'm curious about how long the diploid Rhodo's (Oxbloods) has been available.

the puzzle is,.....I believe the Oxbloods I received as a gift,..from the Liberty area,...are likely,...relatively "young"....i.e.- originally acquired and planted in the Liberty area,....less than 20 yrs ago.

The bunch I acquired from the Austin area had been there at least,...40+ years according to the friends that arranged for me to dig some. (They actually claimed that they had been there over 50 yrs)
The vast majority of this group had no seed pods....I harvested the
relative few that did have pods - (the entire group of them naturalized and growing wild) - and these w/pods were intermingled within the rest - all growing in a large area. I love a good mystery :~)

west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

What was growing near the ones with seeds? Often sterile members of the Amaryllidaceae family will provide fertile pollen to other members of the same family. Crinums do it all the time. In fact, that's how a great number of Crinum hybrids were developed (those that don't produce seed--only offsets--I have a Crinum species like that). I know Hippeastrums are well known for hybridizing with Sprekelias. Any chance any Habranthus (rain lilies) were near there? I'm not sure that cross would work--but it certainly is food for thought (and winter research), no?

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

Thanks for your input, Debbie....I can't say yes or no,....whether any Habranthus were in the area.......I'd say very possible....I didn't see any other Amaryllidaceae family member....but it was so "taken over" by the under/over growth all around where the Oxbloods were....I could've overlooked one (which I would have gladly claimed/dug).

Wish I could accelerate the seedlings growth by a few years to see what flowers....hmmmmm!

west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

They should bloom in three years for sure--other Rhodophiala species have for me. Fertilize with a watered down 8-8-8 or similar and try to keep them going as long as you can before dormancy. My red ones (the pink strain always goes dormant real early for me) will often not go completely dormant before they bloom--just "purty near it" some years--this one included. Give them excellent drainage--and try to avoid letting them freeze while so young (like this winter) if possible. Put them in the deepest pot you can too about the 2nd year. Otherwise, the bifada's will exert a lot of energy trying to push on the bottom of the pot. That's one bulb that likes it deep. Some friends of mine in California have found them over a meter deep--and I've seen them 2 feet deep here before.

Some of the rain lillies (esp. the native to northeastern Mexico) grow real low to the ground and flower on real short scapes. And I notice that flies are absolutely drawn to them as if they were "dung" or something. Could be that one was your pollinating friend.

When they do bloom try to cross them back against each other or the other seedlings if at all possible (or clones of offsets of these seedlings). Usually the second generation hybrids show you what interesting possibilities you have--first generation will only show you the dominant features (usually--but that's not always the case).

Hybridizing bulbs is a lot of fun--esp. if you keep an open mind and try not to have preconceived expectations.

R. bifida does set seeds in Buenos Aires and comes in yellow, orangyish, and pink forms too. And yes I am talking R. bifida and not the other species of Rhodophiala (which also come in other colors)--I had to put that in there quick before somebody jumped down my throat. I actually just read an interesting posting on the bifida's on the IBS or PBS discussion group--let me see if I can find that discussion thread and cut and paste that here for you. It came from South America where this species is native too.

west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

OK--this has been cut and pasted from a much longer article on the Pacific Bulb Society members discussion group on predominantly Zeph's, Hab's, and Cooperia's early breeding and hybridization. It refers a great deal to Thad Howard who has been the leading researcher and guru (in mine and many other people's opinion) about bulbs in zones 8-9. He lived and worked in San Antonio and identified over 40 species of rain lilies. Rhodophiala bifida came up in the middle of this rather long discussion. I have compressed various entries into a somewhat cohesive reading and left out chromosome #'s and other such stuff and kept to the history. Any spelling and grammer errors are purely my own and not the original author's--I am quite sure--lol Here goes:

In the section on German influence it merely mentions his name (and several others) as important for their introduction of several taxa, including Rhodophiala bifida. Interesting, but I hope to find out more
details.
When Thad Howard began collecting rain lilies in San Antonio during
the early 1950s, the Zephyranthes world was still rather small. His
garden included the "old" species described above and several of the
wild rain lilies of South Texas. The only hybridizing that had been
done with the group had taken place in faraway India.
Early in the century Sydney Percy Lancaster, secretary of the
Agricultural and Horticultural Society of India, crossed sevveral
rain lilies into a strain known as x Cooperanthes. These were hybrids
of Z. grandiflora, Z. citrina, and a species obtained from a German
plant collector in Austin, Texas. In deference to this source, a Mr.
Peter Henry Oberwetter, Lancaster referred to these bulbs in his
notes as "Cooperia Oberwetterii."
Oberwetter's activities will be discussed further in a later entry.
For now, what merits attentions is the essential direction of
Lancaster's hybridizing. He had united the colorful tropical species
of Zephyranthes with a fragrant, hardy rain lily from central Texas.
The resulting offspring grew robustly and displayed a range of warm
pastel colors.
Dr. Howard tried importing Lancaster's crosses from India to Texas.
The bulbs were shipped but never arrived, and Howard resolved to make
his own hybrids from scratch. Along with breeding, dedicated
collecting in Texas and Mexico soon expanded his rain lily garden to
undreamed-of proportions.
The vigorous heirloom strain of Rhodophiala seems to be of true
Southern origin, for it is unknown to gardeners in Argentina, where
the bulbs are native. Although oxblood lilies are distributed widely
though the South, they are especially common in the old Germanic
communities of central Texas. Their concentration centers on Austin.
During the 1840s central Texas attracted immigrants from southern and
western Germany, who came to the fledgling republic in search of
political and intellectual freedom. Many were persons of romantic
sensibility, with a love for nature and yearnings for an honest,
agricultural life. They were captivated by the rugged, oak-covered
hills and clear-flowing springs of the new land.
One among them, Peter Henry Oberwetter, took a special interest in
the plants growing on his farm near Comfort, Texas. Oberwetter began
collecting the wild rain lilies he found on the hills, and he sent
them through the mail to gardeners around the world. During the Civil
War, he moved south into Mexico (many German colonists sided with the
North during this conflict, and left Texas to avoid persecution).
While in Mexico Oberwetter continued to collect and export bulbs;
when the war ended, he moved to Austin, where he lived until about
1915.
During this period Oberwetter introduced oxblood lilies to America,
while he sent the native giant prairie lily, Zephyranthes drummondii,
around the world. As he cultivated bulbs in Austin, he must have
discovered and selected the vigorous Rhodophiala strain we now enjoy.
His legacy lives on in the oxblood lilies flowering each autumn in
countless dooryard gardens throughout the South.

Debbie


Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

Awesome! Debbie - Thank you for taking the time to provide us with such a wonderful article(excerpt)....excellent! PBS has a great quick-reference library of photos and information...available to non-members, as well,...I believe.
Thank you,...also,...for your advice and recommendations! I do appreciate it!


Josephine - I was perplexed as to what may have caused the poor
form....I have numerous other seedlings (rain lilies) growing side by side..same conditions...that are straight and healthy. Thought perhaps
the genetics included weakness/lack of vigor....but about half are straight....which is fine with me....especially when the "curly" ones
straighten out as they get older! I'm keeping a log of development...just for fun.
Thanks Y'all! Lee

west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

I notice the same thing with Rain lily seedlings--its just first leaves. The subsequent leaves will straighten out and be stronger. I see it with crinum seedlings too. I do a lot of my species bulbs from seeds--esp. those that don't offset--which is at least half.

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

Ahhhhh! Good to know that....I'm still on a learning curve when it comes to starting geophytes from seed. Thanks!




west Houston, TX(Zone 9a)

Actually bulb seedlings are pretty tough as long as their basic growing needs are right--like water (depending on where they originate); such as winter vs. summer growing. Believe it or not, by the time you see very much at all above ground, much action has taken place below ground.

edited to add--you never get out of that learning curve when propagating bulbs in any manner. =)

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Nevada, TX(Zone 8a)

Very interesting thread.

Lee, be sure to keep us posted on the progress of your Rhodophiala bifida seedlings.

Debbie, thanks for some great information.

Willis, TX(Zone 8b)

Will do!

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