Hello all,
Is there a site where I might find more
information about Brugs regarding the
varieties? Not hybrid information so much
as general species information.
I have more than a dozen in the greenhouse right now,
but am new to Brugs. Some have tags
and some do not, but I would like to know a
bit more about them even though they won't
bloom for some time still.
Some leaves are toothed while others are smooth.
Some plants have big leaves while others have
small and more rounded leaves.
Thank you for any direction, I appreciate your help.
Karen Marie
Identification by foliage?
Offhand, I can't recall anywhere that specifically discusses leaves, maybe someone else can. Though I know there are differences though I do not pay too much attention to them. My eyes are usually on the bloom, LOL!
I guess I should. I think you will find that immature leaves and then the mature leaves on the same plant can differ a lot too. Immature leaves tend to have more of the toothed edges. I could always tell my double whites by the velvet like almost furry leaves. Arborea has smaller hairy leaves too. Sangs are very identifiable by their leaf, very different than other brugs. Aurea's can have just huge juvenile leaves. I am sure there are many more differences too but I grow mostly hybrids.
Here is a juvenile aurea leaf. It was just HUGE!!! You can see a normal sized brug leaf crossing it.
Wow, that's a big leaf, Kell.
I agree: Its generallly very very difficult to identify Brugs by leaves alone, unless you know what the cvs might be AND know really really well what their leaves look like! That's often becomes a matter of intuitive 'feel' with someone who knows plants very well.
Toothed leaves (unless they are of the sanguinea/arborea/vulcanicola group) indicate in a hybrid that it includes aurea somewhere in its history (because aurea is the only species out of suaveolens/versicolor/insignis/aurea group with toothed leaves), though not all hybrids with aurea in them have toothed leaves. Toothed leaves are often but not exclusively confined to juvenile phases of the plant, and may be absent in post-Y shoots.
Some cvs do have very distinctive leaves: such as 'Bert' which has wonderful BIG narrow dark quilted toothed leaves. Others like Dr Seuss have quite easily recogisable rather bright green boldly toothed leaves, though I get confused between Dr S and CG as far as leaves are concerned!!
Some variegated cvs are easily recognisable by their leaves of course (e.g. 'Snowbank', 'Axelrose'), though I understand that some e.g. 'Peaches and Cream' and 'Maya' are quite easily confused without flowers being present.
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I think they may be confused even with flowers present, Alistair. LOL.
I would love to see Bert's leaves, sounds interesting. Culebra has interesting leaves too and mine is thick with them.
Alistair, I do not know if this is universally true of CG but I found it had a natural yellow tint to the leaves. I found this unattractive. I was forever trying to green them up. I believe I have heard this from others too though I could be wrong.
So do you have as wide a variety of brugs as we have here? I can tell brugs love you and you love them.
Kell if that is the case with CG then that is probably what we have here and not Dr S. Almost all cvs that have been about for a while here have lost their corerect names and I have been trying to piece things together. I agree with you it is not a very attractive combination of gold flowers and that rather yellowy bright green of the leaves - though it happens to coincide with the Australian national colors so I am supposed to like it lol (and ew!).
Can Dr S and CG be distinguished by the teeth on the leaves: both have them pre-Y and one does and the other doesn't post-Y????? Being a botanist I get fixated on these details lol.
Nothing like the variety you guys have! I am trying to learn 'Brugs of the World' from pics, forum threads, literature etc.... No-one seems to have been really interested in them here until about 2002, though having set about gathering all that were here together in my collection, there in fact were quite a few lurking about.
I got the impression that P&C is or resembles a versicolor - with the narrowmost part of the corolla tube extending from the mouth of the calyx and that Maya has the calyx covering the narrowmost part of the corolla tube... At least that's where I have got to in trying to 'learn' these!
Here is a Bert leaf....
I am sure people have photo IDed Dr. Seuss and CG and got them confused. I do not recall growing Dr. Seuss myself but I had a great CG till I just didn't have room. I am not using any ones with suav in it for hybridizing so out it went. Also the Bay area has tons of huge CGs all over so I can enjoy them just driving around.
It is my experience so not the rule by any means that only CG has occasional toothed juvenile leaves. Dr. Seuss I believe has them on mature leaves also.
Have you read this thread by Kyle? He is one of the original brug masters here. He is a great resource, very knowledgeable about most plant and certainly about brugs. He is very nice too. Always willing to help. http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/363316/
I have a piece of a brug which was identified by the giver as Hetty Krauss. The giver is also a plant expert with long ties back in brug history as does Kyle. He was adamant when I asked again about it if it is indeed for sure Hetty Krauss. He says it is. He works at the San Francisco Botanical Garden at Strybing Arboretum and they have it growing there as Hetty Krauss. I will say I never saw a picture of Hetty Krauss or Dr. Seuss that looked as good as this one does. It gave me a deep thrill when I saw it and I have been thrilled to share it with a friend or 2 already out of California though mine is still small, so that it gets circulated around our brug family. It is really a special yellow brug. I am at a loss on what to call it though because of the differences of opinion. Both guys have much credibility with me. And both are adamant.
I need to tag it something as it makes the rounds though. I sure hate to add to the confusion.
Here is my friend grabbing a piece for me. My heart was beating so hard. LOL It is a HUGE flower. The leaves are all smooth.
I am glad you are actively becoming an expert on brugs. We really need one around here.
OK, I just did the gallery rounds looking at Maya and Peaches and Cream photos. I had not heard that about the turkey neck before nor had I noticed them being different. But by Jove, I think you may have it.
I had only heard that one differentiates between them by the way the bloom hangs, one nods more. Well on mine, it seemed to have both to some degree.
I added to the confusion also because when I got mine it was tagged Peaches and Cream. A big nursery here sells 5 gallon 4 feet plants of it. So I sent out some as P & C. I was convinced by bruggers on Dave's that it was really Maya because it is such an aggressive grower and P & C is a slow grower I was told. So I changed its name to Maya. LOL And then I supplied tons of cuttings in an experiment of how it would grow all over the US. So if it is P & C. OPPS! LOL But it looks like I have some neck showing.
Bert's leaves are lovely!! THANKS
Yes I have seen the stuff in that link thanks Kell. Very interesting. That yellow certainly looks very different to Dr S so there's some mistake somewhere lol.
Don't know about becoming an expert lol. Just catching up!!!