I saw a photo of alocasia lauterbaachiana on the "AgriStarts" web site and my reaction was, "Wow! Want one."
It says it's a new variety. Anyone growing this one? Anyone growing it north of zone 9? :) If so, would love to know more about it. Here's the link:
http://www.agristarts.com/aloc_lauterbaachiana.htm
Deb
alocasia lauterbaachiana
I just traded for a tiny pup. I'd also be interested in any info anyone has to share!
ROX
Xenophya Lauterbachiana is Synonomous with A. Lauterbachiana according to Deni Brown in her book "Aroids Plants of the Arum family"
Also formerly known as Schizocasia.
According to Deni all of this subgroup of Alocasia's are from the lowland rainforest of New Guinea. The description of this species is in the chapter entitled " In the Shadows" in Deni Brown's book.
I found the following links using varoius synonyms. Evidently some of the old names are still in common use throughout the world.
The following two have nice pics but not much info unless you can read japanese.
http://www.botanic.jp/plants-sa/schlau.htm
http://www.yonemura.co.jp/zukan/zukan-k/naiyou/schizocasia0.htm
Another Synonym mentioned here:
http://cookislands.bishopmuseum.org/species.asp?id=13690
A long detailed article on naming of aroids.
http://www.aroid.org/literature/croat/history/efforts_after_1950.html
This message was edited Nov 27, 2006 10:26 PM
For all of you interested in Alocasias you should look at the aroid societies copies of aroideana. Years ago they had a issue dedicated to alocasias. This is my bible reference book to alocasias. You read that and you know just as much as I do on this group. Alister Hayes is the top botanist in the world with this group and his information on them is top notch.
I went to the Aroideana website and did a search on Alocasia. http://www.aroid.org/aroideana_searchable/scripts/genus_index.php
Seems like the correct issue may be:
1979 2(2); Fred Dortort and Terry Thompson Alocasias 35-51; or
1984 7(3&4) David Burnett The cultivated alocasia 68-162
The 1979 issues (1-4) are available for $10 total.
The 1984 issues (3&4) are available for $25 total.
Order form: http://www.aroid.org/society/orderform.pdf
BRIAN, which is your bible reference book?
In the same issue there is an article on lauterbachiana.
1979 2(2) Michael Madison Aroid profile no. 4: Xenophya lauterbachiana 62-63
1984 7(3&4) David Burnett The cultivated alocasia 68-162
David Burnett is the reference book I am talking about. I am not sure if he is around anymore. Alaster Hayes is now the only botanist dealing with the group I know of. That referece book is amazing photos of the odd species you never get to see as well as more information on the group than one really can hold. Including cultivation tips.
Wow! Thanks for all the resources! Looks like I've got some reading to do. :)
You guys are GOOD!
Deb
Thanks guys, I can always count on you to lift my spirits and empty my checkbook. I just joined IAS for 2007 and ordered the recommended back issue.
Cool, glad you joined Linda! Its always nice to have new South Carolinians as members...maybe we can start a Carolina chapter..;)?. Brians suggestion of ordering The Cultivated Alocasia was a good one....it is full of stuff that will have you drooling. I just ordered the remaining 8-9 old back issues I dont have and cant wait to get them.
I got mine on ebay for I think 9.99
it's georgious
do a search on ebay see if one comes up
Hello - was browsing and I see my name being taken in vain LOL
I believe David Burnett's account is still the best thing around on Alocasia in cultivation, though the species names are often wrong (or out of date) - that was no fault of David's: it would have been impossible for him to get that right at the time because it all needed reviewing by a taxonomist. Sadly he doesn't seem to be active with Alocasia any more.
Unfortunately most of my stuff is in rather obscure scientific journals, but happy to try to answer queries..... if I can :-)
Alistair, your Aroids of Papua New Guinea is one of my all time favorites. Glad to have you here!
That's a blast from the past! Thanks Michael :-)
A honor to have you on board! I think it was me who first used your name in vain LOL. I meet you at the aroid show a few years back. When asking questions on alocasia I am always refered to ask you. I have to say I am a bit lazy at times sending photos and aroid-l still does not allow attachments so now that we have you here I can start bombarding you with alocasias that need ID.
Your slide show was amazing and I am still dreaming of that huge cuprea form you have photos of. Any chance of these rare forms being sold? I think TCing them would make many of these extremely hard to find species much more obtainable.
My first question is Alocasia Borneo giant is said to be a form of Macrorrhiza. This plant flowered and the flower was over 1 foot tall. The flower was much different looking than my normal marcrorrhizas the spadix was very long and the smell was nothing like macorrhiza. Do you think this is a form of Mac or a completely different species???
Brian I thoroughly enjoyed coming over for the show in '02. IAS was so generous and everyone was very welcoming - not to mention incredibly knowledeable!
Now that's typical!!!!! Build up my reputation on here and straight off ask a question I can't answer lol
It just makes me ask more questions! Do we know for sure it came from Borneo? Do we know if it was a wild plant or a garden plant when it was discovered? The reason for these questions is that the proportions of the inflorescence remind me of A. portei but not of anything I have seen wild in Borneo. Obviously the leaves and infl color are wrong for portei, but one possibility is that it is a hybrid.
What I can see of the leaves looks like macrorrhizos and the arrangement of the infls looks like mac or allies, and the infl itself looks like stretched mac!
Have you got a pic of the whole plant?
Here is a pic of one of the plants. I did not think it was a hybrid due to it self pollinating. I have done a few hybrids and all seem to be less likely to self pollinate. I have a hard time getting to my F2 hybrids. It does look similar to Mac in many ways and when young are very hard to tell apart. But once it gets larger you can see a rippling effect in the leaves. I first saw this plant 9 years ago in florida. I am not sure were it was collected I dont know anyone who has collected it all seem to have originated out of Florida? Could it be a odora hybrid? I dont know many forms that can reach this size.
I will try to keep my questions to a minimal 1 per day LOL. I am very glad your here though it would be nice to finally get some answers to some very of these old questions.
I met so many people, I wasn't sure who you were, but I remember now :-)
Wow! What a beautiful plant (and what a small pot)! It looks like mac+++!
I have seen macs in the field this size, but not with the wrinkly leaves and I don't recall seeing them with quite such long infls. I am certain this is in the mac group even if not mac itself.
I think we will never know the answer until someone finds this in the wild.
Well it is an amazing grower and has been a show off at the aroid show as well as my garden up north. I plan to use it more in my breeding for larger easier and more colorful hybrids.
On another note I have looked for you book many times and have not found any place that sells it do you know of any sources? Michael were did you find it at. I looked it up very recently and found nothing.
I'm afraid its long out of print and the organisation that published it is defunct I believe..[Christensen Reasearch Institute in Madang, PNG].
Brian-
Try here: http://www.nhbs.com/papua_new_guinea_geo_7-413-61-.html&page=2
16 pounds.
Click on page 4.
ROX
This message was edited Dec 29, 2006 2:53 PM
16 pounds....that's one HEAVY Book!
Thanks Rox!
Ric
Brian, honestly I cant remember how I got it Ive had it for a few years now. I can send it to you if you want and you can bring it to Atlanta if you come down this spring, (Did Harry get in touch with you yet?) or if not i can just pick it up next time Im up in KY.
Well the site that Rox pointed out had it so I went ahead and ordered it. I remember some very cool photos of Cytrosperma were in it. I look forward to reading it as I have flipped through the pages before but never really got to sit down with it.
OK Alistair I have my next question for today LOL. This is a very large growing alocasia with a dark bluish green leaf almost reticulated it seems. The stems are slightly zebra stripped and it can grow well over 10feet tall. I was told it was also a form of Macrorrhiza. This was growing at Fairchild gardens and Craig Allen gave me a few large pieces.
Here is the flower for this Alocasia
Petiole
Here is some large mature plants. I know IDing this might be very hard but some sugestions would help? I have no idea and I have not seen it anywhere else grown.
You guys are KILLING me!!!!!
Brian I can't quite make out from the pics whether the leaf margin is merely wavy or actually slightly lobed. Which is it?
I would say slightly lobed and wavy.