(Philodendron cruentum)

Philodendron cruentum

subhastatum engler

Hi giancarlo.

I don't think "engler" is a variety or subspecies. We have an entry for P. subhastatum here: http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/126893/index.html

Are these the same plant?

Terry I know colors can be different but this one seems really dark and the puffiness(?) of the leaves between the veins is alot more pronounced than the one in the link.

Terry,
They are two different plants as Dr. Croat identified
the ENGLER for me
Engler is darker green as bottle green in the leaves and
solid marroon on the undersides, although the veins remain green and the
the Subhastatum underside is not solid marroon, more like mottled; also the Regular subhastatum
has leaves as long as 20 to 22 inches long and the Engler has
them no longer than 8 t0 9 inches. The texture is different and the
Engler climbs and Subhastatun is a self heather.
I hope this clarifies the matter.
Stay well
Armando.

I believe Engler is the author's name.

In scientific writeups or correspondence with botanists such as Dr. Croat, it's quite possible that you would find it cited with the name:

Philodendron hastatum Engl.

but it's not part of the plant name, and we don't include authority citatations in PlantFiles.

If it's a variety, subspecies or forma, it should be formatted as:

Philodendron subhastatum var. (or subsp. or f.) and latinized to engleri (? or englerii)

If it's a cultivated variety (aka cultivar) called 'Engler' then it should be placed in the cultivar field.

Terry,
Thinking about it , I am sure you are correct ,It should be classified as a cultivar.
Can the club do it or do you want me to correct it myself.
Armando.

I can't find any support online or in my reference books (granted, mine are a little scant on tropical information ;o) for 'Engler' as a cultivar name

Do you have your correspondence with Dr. Croat that supports this? From what little I know, the leaf shape can vary quite a bit on P. hastatum, so that in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean it's not P. hasatum.

Terry,
No, I didn't keep Dr. Croat's report.
What I am going to do is to take pics of both plants leaves, front and back,
to substantiate my report. there's no way that these two plants are the same,
it is just like night and day, in shape, color, texture, nodes, petioles which on)
the Hastatum are long (at least a foot long) and the Engler no more than 7 inches,
plus Engler is definetely a climber and the other, tends to crawl with a thick node.
Armando.

Hi Armando,

I think you're familiar with Steve Lucas. According to his site, P. hastatum (according to some sources) is both a climber and a runner, and has variability in leaf shape.

I encourage you to start a new thread and post all your photos of this plant in the Plant ID forum here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/f/plantid/

Hopefully others can help you positively ID it. I'll leave this entry as-is while you try to track down its true identity. If the final conclusion is that it's a "no-id" species, we can remove the entry at that point.

Hi giancarlo,

Any news on locating the identity of this plant?