Hybrid Rhizomatous Begonia 'Wineuma'

Hybrid Rhizomatous Begonia 'Wineuma'
Begonia

A mounding begonia that has great autumn colors esp. if grown in bright indirect light.

the correct name - according to the ABS database is 'Wimauma'

Hey Miss Begonia, you know I would usually bow to you. But after googling it I see it issold in most if not all nurseries online as 'Wineuma.'

It was also tagged 'Wineuma' when I bought it. I see Patricia's was also tagged 'Wineuma' also.

Are you sure there are not 2 different begonias?

I googled it to see if they did look differently from each other but your 'Wimauma' had no pictures but 'Wineuma' does have pictures.

And looking at Google Web, it looks like all the nurseries are selling it as 'Wineuma'. 'Wimauma' has very little showing on Google actually other than it is a town in Florida. One of the few mentions of 'Wimauma' name as in begonia was on Garden Web and a poster was in agreement with you that "The correct spelling is 'Wimauma'. It's a Greg Sytch hybrid." So if they are the same plant, the growers have changed the name and never looked back and it is being sold all over as Wineuma.

If you are sure they are the exact same plant, I think the entry should keep 'Wineuma' for the nurseries are all selling it as that, but I can AKA it as 'Wimauma.'

And to make matters more intersting Glasshouse Works has it named BEGONIA REDDINGTON SHORES

(NOTE:My link did not work on Dave's here so if you want to go look just copy the link and add the http that I deleted so Dave's wouldn't make it into a bad link and then paste it as your web address.)
://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:n5bkcKfvRlMJ:www.glasshouseworks.com/trop-b2.html+Begonia+%27Wineuma%27&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=12&ie=UTF-8

"We cannot see any serious difference between this old Florida clone and the wholesalers' new Begonia 'Wineuma.' "

This brings up an interesting question that came up a while back for me with a bromeliad. So what is correct as an entry? If a plant was hybridized by someone and named but that name never took off and therefore has little presence in the plant world. However it is being propagated all over under another name and therefore people will be knowing it as that name and researching it with that new name, which is correct? And of course we do not know if the original hybridzer had made an agreement to sell it under the new name.

So what do you think?



This message was edited Oct 29, 2006 10:39 AM

Hey Lady, I just thought lets find Greg Sytch and ask him if this is his same begonia and the history of it and how the name got changed!! I am googling him now.

That is what I did with the bromeliad. I searched out the hybridizer which was an involved deal, let me tell you. But kind of fun to actually succeed. Kind of like a treasure hunt. LOL

Do you recall me asking brad about it. we were talking about begonias with compound leaves like this one has and I said I had Wineuma and he said that's not the name.
he said they were mis tagged.
the data base shows it as this
(source) (name) (seed parent) (pollen parent) (type) (hybridizer) (location)(date)
BEG Wimauma Cowardly Lion unk rhiz Sytch Fl 1999

here's his email GSytch@cs.com as I have it.

I sent this via email but since many of his hybrids are named after Florida cities, and Wimauma is a city in Fl. I'm willing to gamble that Wimauma is the correct name
other hybrids by Greg are
Bonita Springs
Thonotosassa
Wimauma
Daytona
Kissimmee
Lauderdale Lakes
Okeechobee
Port St Joe
Redington Shores
Wauchula
Lake Wales

So does it say if BEGONIA REDDINGTON SHORES was a parent?

And no, I do not remember, you know you love to talk nasty (LOL) and I am still trying to remember my name most times.

So anyway, if all things are correct, then the basic question is...........when does it become the name once it is used as its name pervasively? Kind of like the common law marriage concept.

Does the data base have pictures?

I got that, for when I googled begonia 'Wimauma,' I got mostly hits about the city 'Wimauma' in Florida and very little about a begonia.

says seed parent is Cowardly Lion and the pollen parent is unknown
and no, that is one really lacking feature of the data base. no photos.
BUT I do have the CD from the begonia yahoo group and it might be in there. I grow reddington shores and can't really compare since RS is small. My Wimauma is enormous! (thanks to you - hug hug)

good Q about what to really call it. I'm going venture a guess that regardless of the mis-labeling, it should be corrected when found as such?
Ask Greg what he thinks. Now you have my interest piqued!!!

it's possible that if/when you get a reply from him that you have the PF corrected to show 'Wimauma' as the cultivar and Wineuma as the syn. just a thought.

That is exactly what I did when I posted the bromeliad,
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/142694/index.html
though in that case there was not an overwhelming presence of the wrong name online as with Begonia 'Wineuma.'

In fact both bromeliad names were hard to find with little info. I was cold (calling) emailing all sorts of people asking for info.

Here I am. Thanks to Freda she told me about this thread. The name is 'Wimauma', named after the Florida city, and it is a sister seedling of 'Redington Shores' created around 1997. Unofrtunately I lost many plants in the 2004 hurricane season and never recovered it back. It has often been misspelled as in the above thread. The curled, compound leaf is rarely seen and the coloring is amazing. I am glad it is being enjoyed. My new email is gsytch@tampabay.rr.com. Greg

Thanks so much for aswering this thread, gsytch! I will make your response into a comment on this plant's main page so it is more easily seen. I am sure Laurie Bounsall (begoniacrazii wil) be happy you checked in and agreed with her!