Here are some close-ups of subquintuplinervis in bud- one of the peduncles seems to have crested, making three distinct areas of bud growth, as well as some irregular growths around the peduncle base. The normal ones look more and more like broccoli every day.
Here is a normal peduncle and leaf:
A close up of the normal peduncle:
Note in the above photo that there is some sort of sap or nectar being produced in among the forming buds. It looks like amber, is slightly sticky but isn't dripping.
Mark;
Your going to have D mail from me very shortly. I'm going to look up some photos to post.
Annie Wayman
Mark that is fantastic! Is it common for a subquintuplinervis peduncle to crest like that? I know we've discussed this happening in the fraterna, but I had no idea there were more hoyas that would do this. Hmmmmm....another one for my "gimme" list.
Ann
A little bird tells me that this may not be subquituplinervis. I bought it as H. pachyclada, but became convinved that it was actually subquintuplinervis through some discussion on the MSN forum. Said bird also suggests that it may acytually be H. rigida, which is closely related to pachyclada.
Ann, I've heard of this type of cresting (which is a distortion of growth points) happening in other Hoyas. One person, I don't recall who, said that the affected stems often branch into two distinct budding points. My H. fraterna has done this. The aff. subquintuplinervis has three points of bud formation, and so has beat MY record. I'll post a picture of what my Fraterna looked like when it started cresting, and how it looks now.
This is H. fraterna when it started cresting. It is hard to see it in the picture, but the buds are coming from a very wide point in the stem which later divided into the two points visible in the second photo. The peduncle did not have two heads at first, it has actually grown them during and after it's initial flowering. This may not be a true form of cresting, which is a growth defect, but some sort of poorly understood branching.
the second photo, about 6 months later:
Your first photo looks just like a cutting I am trying to root..........Hummmm came with the name H.rigida......I like little birds !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandy
I thought I remembered having this particular plant discussed on MSN, and I went through the old posts and found it. The conversation I am reproducing is between Christine Burton and I. The topic was a plant being sold as a "red flowered Hoya pachyclada".
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roystretch Sent: 4/24/2006 12:27 PM
Here is a link to a "red/white flowered Hoya pachyclada" offered by Asiatica nursery. They are not exactly meticulous with their botanical names, I have noticed.
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BloomingChris Sent: 4/24/2006 3:34 PM
The hoya pictured on Asiatica Nursery's web page is Hoya subquintuplinervis.
Chris
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It is my understanding that pachyclada is closely related, having similar but smaller and narrower leaves than subquintuplinervis, rigida is very similar to pachyclada, but with elongated stems, and all are closely related to H. pottsii.
Here is a link to the excellent photos of H. pachyclada on the Alohahoya site. You can see that the leaves are similar in texture and veination, but smaller and with a more acute tip. I'll stil send photos off to David Liddle when the darn thing finally opens it's flowers up. Taking forever!
http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/AHcomp/AHpach1.php
There was a recent posting on MSN about this thread, which among its many oddly misogynistic references, the woman who moderates that forum made the statement- refering apparently to me-
"Among the stupid and incorrect statements that were made by this person is that my identification of a plant as Hoya subquintuplinervis is wrong.
If he is a member of this forum, I'm unaware of it but that doesn't mean a lot when one is determined to belong and all but a few are too cowardly to use their own names,"
a few points to note:
1 I did NOT say that this woman was wrong about the identification of this plant, I implied that I thought she was CORRECT in identifying it as subquintuplinervis.
2 I was a member of MSN, and I used my correct name on the application, the same one as I go by everywhere, mark randal. I was kicked off of that forum for, as this lady is wont to say "daring to disagree with the powers that be", a complaint she has made against this forum many times. Making her at best unable to pay attention to detail and at worst a hypocrite.
We all appreciate this lady's input on the identification of Hoyas, and most of us will agree that she is one of the finest authorities on the subject, but if she is going to critique all of our conversations so thoroughly, she could at least take the time to read the threads properly and make sure she has a clear and correct impression of what has actually been said before she does so.
This message was edited Sep 11, 2006 5:44 PM
