Does anyone have an experience with violets grown by a company called Nature's Heritage. They're location in the Tenn/NC area.
Walmart had some on a Promo and I bought 3 different varieties. I thought at first they were Optimaras but the names don't match. This is Saturn. They are pretty regardless.
Hi budgielover!
Oh that is pretty! Sorry I can't help you with any info on it. I would be right proud to have it in my collection.
Joanne
Lovely little violet. I like the color.
Very Pretty !
Hi budgie!
I have bought lots of those, and many are of the Ultra Violet series. I do believe that Saturn is one of the UVs. I have it as well as Solar, Flash, Meteor, and I think I have Galaxy as well. Nature's Heritage sells many of the Rhapsodie AVs also. They're all usually pretty nice plants if you can find them before they've been left to sit in a tray of water for a week. :o(
Thanks,
I got Mercury and another with an unusal name but I don't have it in front of me. Something unusual like Hanannu.
Hananja?
That sounds like it. It's a solid purple color. I'm at work at will check tonight
Pretty sure Saturn is Optimara- http://www.optimara.com/optimarafieldguide/varietiesm-z/saturn.html
This one and the other 3 bought just like it are all named Saturn and definitely not like the Optimara Saturn.
Hmm- I want to post to this, but want to see what other say so will post this here and again under new thread because I am SO confused.
What is the deal you guys? Optimara choses to name their AVs with Optimara as part of the word, as do others, Rhapsodie, Buckeye, Robs, etc. So if I were to create a new AV could I legally (and by that I mean per AVSA rules) name my new AV Boondoggle or Smartypants, just leave off "Rob's"? That just doesn't seem Kosher to me- is it possible that these particular gorgeous AVs that Budgielover was lucky enough to find- and they are very pretty- are not registered? Is the grower 'Nature's Heritage' pulling a fast one?
Here's the link to the new thread just in case: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/633777/
This message was edited Jul 31, 2006 5:56 PM
Yes, you can register names that are quite similar as long as they're not identical, although I'm sure AVSA tries to discourage this so as not to add to the state of the confusion.
For example, I looked in FC and found
Saturn (5753) 07/24/1984 (Volkmann) Semidouble dark wine-red star. Dark green, plain. Standard
Optimara Saturn (Holtkamp) Blue star. Dark green. Large
Sonoma Saturn Skies (B. Borck) Double plum star/coral fantasy. Dark green, quilted, serrated. Standard
Suncoast Saturn (S. Williams) Semidouble dark purple star. Dark green, plain. Standard
None of these look like Budgie's new 'Saturn', so I would guess hers is an unregistered variety. There are a couple of other "Ultra Violet" series in FC, but none (yet) with Saturn in the name.
The name game is largely self-policing, I think, and not all named AVs are registered by a long shot, so there are a lot of confusions out there. Also, sports are not always recognized as such. There have been a couple of plants that we've seen at The Violet Gallery that, while gorgeous, didn't seem to be blooming true to name... when we asked about them, we were told that they were labeled correctly, but that they'd had ones that bloomed this color and they'd had ones that bloomed the described color for the variety -- in other words, one was blooming true, and one was a sport, but they were just sticking with the name that was attached to the variety when they got it, whether or not it was blooming true to type. I am sure that other growers do the same thing.
Jill this is very strange- I do undertand the sport thing; were I a grower I would be calling it the name it was registered w/ until the sport was registered. I guess I'd be ok w/ Rob's Loose Noodle and April's Loose Noodle- not so sure how Rob would feel about that.
Very strange.
So riddle me this, if I don't register my AV I can call it anything I want, including Rob's Bahama Mama and Rob cannot stop me, is that about right? and if I do that are there any negative consequences that can be brought down on me?
Jill thanks for anwering- I appreciate it.
I don't know if registered names are considered to be legally copyrighted, but I would think there would be some protection... so if there is a 'Rob's Bahama Mama' then you should not be calling another AV by that name, if for no other reason than not adding to the confusion! LOL
If I were a grower, I would refer to a sport (whether or not it's a registered sport) as such... eg, "Sport of Rob's Loose Noodle" rather than have folks be surprised when their 'Rob's Loose Noodle' bloomed untrue. I've got a sport that I refer to as "Guessaroo" with a note that it's a pink blooming sport of 'Rob's Gundaroo'. Similarly, I have both blue and white blooming plants that were grown from a leaf of 'Rob's Humpty Doo' (chimera), and I refer to them as noids "Humpty Who?" and "Humpty Two." To me, using that sort of name indicates where the plant came from and hopefully doesn't get too confusing.
I am trying to remember the rules on registering your own varieties, and I think you might have to have grown a new hybrid from seed in order to register it, or have some un-named plant that's been passed down for years... I'm not sure you're allowed to register your favorite seed-grown grocery store noid... but I'm not sure. I do know that you have to vegetatively propagate (leaf or sucker) a new AV for 3 generations, verifying that each generation is true to type, before registering... This is meant to ensure that registered varieties are at least somewhat stable.
Beautiful plant budielover...
Very interesting discussion april...I've often wondered how many of the same violets have different names...there are sooo many that look a lot like others.
Also, there are lots of violets that are not registered but still have a call name. Some are ones that for whatever reason the hybridizer choose not to register it but it's been passed around by a name.
CritterO & I have traded plants that did not bloom true to their name & we have adopted the same names on them so we could keep them straight..lol
We both loved the plants either way & I love the names she came up with too...
As far as the "registered named plant", I think it would be a difficult thing with Av's to officially patent the plant itself ,especially the way the lil darlings sport.I would think that if the "name" is registered then as CritterO staed it probable COULD fall under protected rights issues but I've not heard of any lawsuits over the issue.
All in all it's still an interesting topic...
MsC
I know absolutely nothing about the naming of AV when registering, so I have no comment about that, except to say that with names like 'Boolaroo', 'Toorooka', and such, Rob has probably thought about the similar name situation and chosen very unique names like that to avoid confusion.
However, I have Ultra Violet Saturn, which is pictured below, and here's a link to AVSA's picture of Ultra Violet Saturn. http://www.avsa.org/Photographs/UltraVioletSaturnLrg.jpg#http://../Photographs/UltraVioletSaturnLrg.jpg#
Taking into account camera and monitor differences, because to me budgie's looks a bit more purplish than reddish, I think hers definitely strongly resembles both pictures of Ultra Violet Saturn.
I hope I didn't add to the confusion. LOL
Yes the picture is a bit on the purple side. I would have to describe it as somewhere between majenta and burgandy.
BTW, I did buy 4 of these if anyone wants to try a couple leaves I can probably get enough for 3 sets of leaves till they grow up a little.
I was thinking it looked like Ultra Violet Saturn also Amy.
Either way it's a beautiful plant ~
Non registered growers can name them what ever they want. They are not registered.
Now I am not talking about Ultra Violets most of them are Reg. or in FC.
But for example Harmony's plants are not registered.
There is a reg. Frilly Dilly (6633) 06/11/1987 (H. Pittman) Semidouble white and fuchsia. Dark green, wavy/red back. Semiminiature
And then there is a Harmony's Frilly Dilly not registered .
It's a lot of work and time in order to reg. a plant.
You can reserve a name for a coule years while your growing out your three generations Mom does not come out lot's of growers grow out more than three.
Good notes are required. Names of both parents and permission from parents is also needed.
One reason Optimara plants can not be used they don't allow it.
Just a small part of list. I posted it some where. and it is on AVSA web sight.
Sports you only need one parent..grow out three generations don't forget Mom does not count. It must be a better and different plant than Mom. Notes...and more.
BUT there are many, many 15 thousand or more named African violets that are not registered.
They do not need to be registered to by in FC.
That's a good note about Optimara plants... don't use them in your hybridizing! Also, a friend with a nursery recently mentioned that they can't be propagated commercially... so we can trade them, but we can't sell them.
They (optimara's) are sold on Ebay so I don't know what rules everyone is following.
Best of my knowledge they can be progated and sold. Hek they sell their leaves . What do they think we are doing with them. lol
They don't want them Hybridizered and used to register a new plant. Which would not be allowed as a new plants needs two parents name with permission to be registered and named.
Now a Sport just needs one parent and you would not need Optimara's permission to name a sport your grew out three generations and followed AVSA rules of registering a sport.
DH was just asking me about registering AVs... He thinks "Big Blue" deserves to be a named variety... but I don't think I can register a plant of unknown parentage. I'll check to see what the AVSA site says about that.
And where did Optimara get their original breeding stock?LOL
Good one... actually I think i have an older article about that topic.
Allison has a good point.. that Optimara doesn't want their plants used in hybridizing... but you can use them.. you ONLY have to have ONE parent plant registered,named & listed on the registration form, so your form could read " one named registered X unknown donor" ..;-)
(giggle, giggle)
Ah the joy of violets...
MsC
For the curious... Check out the "Plant Registration" link in the AVSA Judges Forum page, http://www.avsa.org/JudgesForum.asp Lots of the issues we've mentioned above are addressed here.
Looks like my "Big Blue" noid is inelegible on two counts -- its seed parents are unknown, and I doubt it is "significantly different" from other cultivars. It's still one of my favorites to share, as it is a tough plant (great for new AV growers) and blooms continuously!
Well guess that takes care of my only one parent...lol
Thanks for finding & posting the info...
MsC
Yes you need two parents and permission from their hybridizers
Glad you fount that info Jill I've posted it before thought it made it to the Sticky ??
For a Sported plant you only need one named parent and you do not need hybridizers permission.
In Sticky is list of reg. Sprots I think sense 1980. They hope people will register them to this link but I know many people don't.
I know of one Chimeria personaly the hybidizer posted her plant when she got her first Chimera bloom it was a Sport.
Next thing I know the plant is registered BUT NOT registered in the Sport Registration.
You will notice a lot of Russians are Sports, Lot's of Rob's and Ma's . ALL the Chimera's are Sports.
