Anyone else having an infestation of these? As far as I can make out they are "Oriental Beetles" though I haven't been able to get anyone to provide me with a positive id. They don't seem to be doing much damage at all though I've read that it's the grubs that are the most troublesome. They are on just about everything in my yard and my friends yards about two miles from here. My friends and I have never seen these guys before--they are about the same size as a Japanese Beetle and they are just annoying because they are everywhere.
Anyone have any experience with them?
I hope you are all enjoying this beautiful (if hot!) summer day!
Oriental Beetles (not Japanese Beetles!)
Hi Niere. Looks like an oriental beetle to me. The adult beetles will happily eat roses, phlox and petunias - as well as weird people out because they're so dang *buggy* looking, but it's not the adults that you need to set off the panic alarms for:
Their juvenile form is as a grub, *very* much like japanese beetles. They will pretty quickly destroy large patches of lawn grass - but that won't be REAL bad until later in the season. If they're as numerous as you indicate, I very strongly suggest applying some grub-control as a preventative measure... you'll be the only one with a green lawn in the fall if you take care of it and keep up on it.
BTW - milky spore is the best preventative, but it takes a year or two to establish. You're going to need something that kicks grubs *now* (this year), so your best bet is going to be your local ag extension office or knowledgeable commercial outlet (nursery, greenhouse, feed store, etc) for possible options.
Thanks for the advise I too have them for the first time this year and have just noted a large area of dying grass that is on irrigation and shouldn't be. Is it too late to apply the grub control now that they have risen from the soil or are there more yet to come? kt
We have the solid tan colored ones. The birds eat them left and right.
I don't have much trouble with Japanese beetles because I treated the lawn with Milky Spore a decade ago.
Paul, I thought Milky Spore was effective ONLY against the Japanese Bs.
Andy P
Never say too late! Find a good grub control solution and water it in *well* for fast results if you don't mind (and can use) pesticides in your soil. Scott's and Bayer Advanced (to name two) make pesticides that control oriental beetle grubs. The main drawback here is that you're applying poisons to your lawn and killing a lot of beneficial things along with the bugs you're trying to get rid of. You'll need to weigh the advantages/disadvantages against the desired outcome and make your choices accordingly.
The ones that are flying around now will do nothing more than eat and reproduce - meaning there'll be even more of them next cycle. "Next cycle" starts now - they usually reproduce in late June/July.
Turf management isn't an avid interest of mine, so you're going to be a lot better off talking to a pro, or at least a well-informed salesperson.
That said, a couple of notes about all those grubs:
The oriental beetle grubs are a bit larger than the japanese beetle grubs. Both will eat your lawn out by the roots.
If you notice ground mole (some call them ground voles. I guess it depends on the local vernacular) burrows in your yard, *RESIST* the temptation to smash them flat or otherwise get rid of them. They move in when there is a feast in your yard - the grubs! For this particular instance, I guess you could call the ground moles a beneficial pest. When there aren't any more grubs, they usually move on to somewhere there's more food.
The areas infested now can potentially be cleared and reseeded, but you're going to see what you see now well into fall, if not next spring.
If you can't / don't want to use pesticides, a couple of options are:
Beneficial nematodes can help control grubs fairly fast. How long they'll stay around is a question I don't know the answer to. Pesticides kill them. Which nematode you want depends on where you are - average soil temperature determines what will work best.
A better long-term control is milky spore (milky disease) - *conditionally*. Milky spore is a long-term, non-toxic method of control that is enviromentally friendly. The drawback is that it takes as much as 5 years to establish. Once established in the soil, it can persist for 15-20 years. B. popilliae is the specific strain that affects *ONLY* japanese beetles, and is the one most readily commercially available, but other strains have been created that affect a range of scarab beetle grubs. To use it successfully, you would need to make certain that the strain you're getting affects oriental beetle slugs as well as japanese beetles... that's the conditional part.
Short of all that, there's always the infamous "daggers of death". They're sold either as shoes or a strap-on attachment with spikes coming out of the bottom (think golf or turf shoes on steroids and you'll probably get a good picture of them). You walk around the yard and *literally* skewer the grubs you're walking over... while drawing stares from the neighbors and giving yourself a good workout pulling the spikes back out of the dirt with every step. Seriously. I've seen them.
Hope this helps.
Paul, Lawn maintenance may not be one of your "avid Interests" but you know a heck lot more about it than me, LOL.
Thanks for the info.
Andy P
Paul,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the time you took to explain this to me. My plan now is to apply beneficial nematodes to my soil immediately and do a little leg work to find a resource for Milky Spore that is effective fighting oriental beetle slugs. Thanks again kt
Thanks Paul and everyone else for your input! Sorry I couldn't reply sooner--I'm currently out of town and staying at my in-laws for a few days. While I'm not "glad" that others have these, I'm glad that there are others who are in the same boat as I am.
Paul, I think I'd like to try the "daggers of death"--LOL!--and or the nemotodes, though part of me may just bite the bullet and see how bad it gets--our lawn is a disaster anyway, and after reading your post Paul my first reaction was to laugh because I thought--you stupid beetles, we don't have a decent lawn for you to bother with! Seriously--we just bought our house a little over a year ago, and the "lawn" is going to need a lot of work. The property had quite a slope and there was a lot of fill added when the house was built by the previous owner, and not nearly enough decent topsoil was added. Dig down six inches and you hit sand. Back yard isn't so bad, but the front lawn--there's a major renovation planned for that.
Too bad for the oriental beetle slugs--unless they like crabgrass roots and moss, they're going to be very hungry. ;) :D
Thanks again everyone--I am so glad I joined this site! :D
I'm glad to find this thread because I've been trying to figure out what these things are, too. I have seen a random one the last couple of summers but this year I have TONS of them and it appears that they eat just about anything. This may require more than hand squishing because they even are eating holes in daylilly flowers and even basil.
Hello all. Some new folks to the Northeast forum. Wecome.
Shudhave, Love the name. It speaks to my gardening style!
Dave
Hi,
I am glad I found this tread,,, I am in state of panic.... first because I am new at gardening... just started in April and I have tons of grass.( I fell like I live in a golf course) but the bugs are eating my brand new roses... even the morning glories can't scape... can I still use milky spore now or should I wait for spring??? Where can I find the "daggers of death" I am willing to give it a try... I have moles in my yard... I think ... I haven't seen Chip and Dale around latelly thou (yes I have named the chips)
Kassia, I would try Garden Supply Co. or AM Leonard's. I think thats where i saw them. I just checked Garden's Alive but couldn't find them there.
If you have an immediate problem, you may want to try a quicker fix. There are organic and more poisonous solutions at your local garden center. I use Garden's alive for organic remedies if you don't mind waiting for the shipping.
Dave
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