Am I a Hoya?

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

I am not sure what this is, kinda sorta looks like one......

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Keaau, HI(Zone 11)

Lipstick plant????? (sorry guys...too tired to look up the bot.name). How about a full view of the plant?

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

I think you are right, name rings a bell. :) I didn't think it was a Hoya, had to ask, it is a prolific grower and seem happy in the windowsill!

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Keaau, HI(Zone 11)

They are really pretty...grow in an arching fashions...you might think of unclipping it and letting it all 'hang out'...they can get quite big....

Carol

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Yup I would guess lipstick plant also :)
I have quite a few of them!
I would suggest letting it hang though :) they dont' need to be trellised :)
Here is one called mona lisa

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Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

And here is my favorite :) It is called champagne Jam :)

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Champagne jam? Now, that must be a rare one and gorgeous! I wonder where we can find those in this area.

Susan

Long Beach, CA

That IS a beautiful one. Lorry...you have D-Mail again. I have one that is striped all over & has maroon backs to the leaves. I can never get it to bloom tho. Will get a shot of it later.
I IS so easy to confuse these with hoyas when you are new to this plant.
There is another succulent plant that has small, perfectly round leaves that looks like a hoya but isn't. I bought that one early on too thinking it was a hoya. It has alternating leaves however so it is easier to tell.
Marcy

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

Thanx y'all, OK, she has been set free! No trellis, and is hanging very pretty! Lorry, if I may be so bold~ I would love some cuttings if you have some, those are beautiful! Actually Lorry, I don't think you have any plants that are not beautiful! Marcy, is it one that is called "Silver Dollar"? I have one of those and its growing nicely! I learned it is not a Hoya, I also have another Lipstick Plant with curly leaves, same prolific grower, set her free at the same time as the other one! Happy plants thank you y'all!

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Long Beach, CA

Yes, that IS it Becky. You can see how the leaves are not opposite each other like on hoyas. I have googled the name for it and found it is:
Xerosicyos danguyi.

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Actually a liipstick is a gesnersiad not a succulent :)
Columnea can also be mistaken for hoyas :) or the mini jades :) I have made those mistakes in the past

I am sure she could spare a cutting or two beca :)

Chowchilla, CA(Zone 10a)

According to Chris Burton, who referenced this particular thread on her forum, the plant Becky photographed is, indeed, a hoya.

Ms. Burton does believe, based on certain important characteristics, such as leaf placement on the vine and new growth that it is possible the plant is a hoya. She states (in her MSN Groups Hoyas R Us post titled, "Today's e-mail: Is this a picture of a Hoya?") the following:

"Look at the orientation of the leaves on the stalk. They are decussate (in pairs that alternately cross each other at right angles). Every Lipstick vine I've ever seen has its leaves arranged in two rows as those of Hoya bella. Of course, I've only seen a few Lipstick vines. Perhaps there are some with decussating leaves that I haven't seen."

"Look at the new grownth on the stalk at the left. It is deep red-brown and covered with hairs. Hoya carnosa's new growth looks exactly the same, colour and all."

"I believe that the only reason the vines in those pictures do not show a twining vine is because the stalks are securely tied to those bamboo poles which prevents twining."

"It is always advisable when you are photographing something, for identification purposes, that you put easily measured things in the picture or a ruler. Pictures of tiny leafed things frequently look like large leafed things when there is no way of measuring them."

This is very useful information because sometimes it really is difficult to tell the differences between a carnosa and lipstick vine! So, thanks to whomever was kind enough to forward Becky's question on to Ms. Burton.

Ann

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Erm..I still say lipstick vine but I could DEFINITELY be wrong :) Usually am :)

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

Well, here it is, the picture is from the site where I bought it from!
Lorry is right! So there!
I must apologize to the owner / moderator of the "other" site, who it seems thinks I do not take pictures of plants so that they are easily identifiable! 'Lemme find that ruler!

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Keaau, HI(Zone 11)

Hmmmmmmm. I was sure it was Lipstick Plant (for the life of me, I can never spell the botanical name...much less remember it!!!).

Thanks, Ann, for pointing out the "other point of view". Interesting.

Carol

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

Well, Carol and Lorry, in my mind it has been established, it IS a "Lipstick Plant". Also see picture above, this is from the vendor I actually ordered the dang thing from!

Silly me, if I had only looked through my old order records before asking a question here I could have saved someone an awful lot of work! Taking the time to read my question and the answers I got, oh wait, the first answer came from Carol so it must be wrong! I do know there are some of our esteemed co-members here that feel there is only one person qualified to id anything, so they took the time to forward my question cause they could not start a discussion here, where the question originated, to another forum, so that person could take a long time it seems to write a long dispute (and question my photographic abilities it seems) why it is a Hoya and not a Lipstick Plant, now mind you I do have a Carnosa (EA special) and YES, it DOES look like it very much, however if I had thought it was one.....so, I did my own research....and have found some great info, and yes I want more of the plants! Lipstick Plants fall under the Gesneriad Aeschynanthus family!

So, do I dare to ask more questions so it can become a topic on the other forum, or do I start a barrage of questions so I can get "wrong answers" to get them "corrected" on a forum I am not a member of and just recently realised I have no business belonging to!

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Well Aeschynanthus grow very similiar to hoyas :) So you can grow them side by side (wink)
Ok have to share this foliage..sometimes AE specials ar SPECIAL :)
this is a columnea I bought from them!

I do need to make an edit to my top one though..Champagne jam is a nematanthus (my bad) It is not a Aeschynanthus so therefore I mispoke on that one :)

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Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Ok one more I need to share.
Are you guys familiar with Jewel orchids?
Oh my ..you all need to have one!

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Keaau, HI(Zone 11)

Bec - you have mail. No need to be afraid of the dark. :>)


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New Caney, TX

You know I was gonna say something about Chris Burtons Group of which I recently removed mysef from, but I better not. Even I figured that was a lipstick plant.
Bec,
It's very pretty. I have one I bought as an Angel plant but its not near as long as yours.
Lorry,
If you ever decide you might be interested in trading some plants let me know. Your champagne Jam is awesome.

Tami

Chowchilla, CA(Zone 10a)

OK, Lorry. I have to have one of those! Where did you get it, how does it grow, what kind of soil & light & water, etc.
That is beautiful!!!
Ann

Sequim, WA(Zone 8a)

Thanx y'all! I appreciate the input ~ and dang it I WILL keep asking questions, I did do as you suggested Carol and set both my plants free, one is the above plant in question and her mate, the curly leafed version! She is now draped lovely over the TV! Grows like a weed, and Lorry , I am now searching for the Jewel Orchid ~ I concur with Ann, it is beautiful!!
Y'all be good!! :)

Keaau, HI(Zone 11)

Never have seen a jewel orchid like that!!! Beautiful!

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Tami ) Sure thing hun. Shoot me a dmail.
The Champagne jam was one of thoe WONDERFUL scores :)


Ann..do you mean the orchid? If so I got mine at PHOE but I have seen them on ebay..do a search for jewel orchid :)

they are very easy to care for..mine is in my terrarium..keep em moist and they are happy :)

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Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Susan,
I wish I could tell you but I just don't know. I also don't know how rare they are. I found mine at my wholesaler.
I have not seen them at any retailers.

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Bec..they can be found on ebay :) jewel orchids that is :)

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Thanks Ms Aloha :)

SW, WI(Zone 4b)

Yes, very nice, Lorry!

As an 'indoor grower' who has tried the one above....it's a little difficult, not as easy as the more common one with pink veins...Ludisia discolor.

But, in case you're bound and determined to get one and can't find them on ebay....Black Jungle Terrarium Supply also has them on their website. I've ordered from these guys before, small plants in small pots, but very nice, healthy and well packaged.
http://www.blackjungle.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BJTS&Category_Code=JO

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

You had trouble with this one Nan? Perhaps again it is beginners luck for me or maybe it is because I have it in a terrarium but mind seems to be doing quite well :)

SW, WI(Zone 4b)

LOL! Yep!
I had mine in a terrarium, too, but I have bad luck with *anything* in a terrarium.
Give yourself a li'l credit, Lorry...it's prolly more skill than luck!

Chowchilla, CA(Zone 10a)

Thanks for all that info ladies!!!
Ann

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