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Hico, TX(Zone 8a)

I would like to know what kind of tree has 2-5 simple (they each seem to have their own stem, anyway) leaves coming out of a single node. The leaves are elliptical, 3-5" long with a narrow pointed tip, light green, and has opposite veining. The twigs have short spines or thorns - mostly at base of node, but sometimes elsewhere. I don't see any sign of flowers or fruit/seeds. The entire tree is about 20' with a caliper of about 5 inches. The bark is shallowly fissured in a long diamond shape.

Is it a "weed tree" or a "keep tree"?

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Deep East Texas, TX(Zone 8a)

Have you ever seen it bloom and if you crush the leaf what odor?

Josephine, Arlington, TX(Zone 8a)

I don't know for sure, but it looks like it might be some kind of wild pear. Or a wild plum.
Just a guess.
Josephine.

This message was edited Jun 9, 2006 11:32 AM

Hico, TX(Zone 8a)

Frostweed, I think maybe you are right after looking up pear trees. This tree must not be mature enough to bear fruit. My tree book describes pears as having simple leaves that are "crowded". Is that a term used for multiple leaves from a node or just a bad description?

Podster, I couldn't reach the leaves to crush them and smell them. We were cutting down trees to build and found it. I haven't seen the flowers.

Picked up a tree today from Mineral Wells. Took me 6 hours - had to drive really slow and stop a lot to fix the cover. I had a couple miles to go and I just gave up and went even slower. I think that the tree will be worth it - it is a host plant to at least three butterflies. At least one caterpillar survived the trip. Long day today - another tomorrow. Actually looking forward to slowing down on Monday.

Hico, TX(Zone 8a)

Frostweed, I think maybe you are right after looking up pear trees. This tree must not be mature enough to bear fruit. My tree book describes pears as having simple leaves that are "crowded". Is that a term used for multiple leaves from a node or just a bad description?

Podster, I couldn't reach the leaves to crush them and smell them. We were cutting down trees to build and found it. I haven't seen the flowers.

Picked up a tree today from Mineral Wells. Took me 6 hours - had to drive really slow and stop a lot to fix the cover. I had a couple miles to go and I just gave up and went even slower. I think that the tree will be worth it - it is a host plant to at least three butterflies. At least one caterpillar survived the trip. Long day today - another tomorrow. Actually looking forward to slowing down on Monday.

Thank you for your responses!

NE Medina Co., TX(Zone 8a)

indirt, what was the tree/host plant that you picked up? Just curious, I have a butterfly garden myself.

Hico, TX(Zone 8a)

Ptelea trifoliata or wafer ash native to 1-8 of TX zones. It is difficult to find in the nurseries. The place I picked it up from grows really nice trees, but they are not going to grow these anymore b/c after the first growth spurt in the pot, they grow very very slowly even in the ground. Unless another buyer doesn't pick up their trees, I got the last one. I told them that if the guy doesn't show to give me a call.

Does it grow slowly due to caterpillars eating the leaves? Perhaps if you cover the tree for a few years to discourage butterflies laying eggs...??? I don't know. Perhaps one of these days I will test that out.

Madrone or Sunshine nurseries supposedly have this tree - might want to ask Redentas if they have it or The Tree Place. Also, not so locally, but I have had good sized plants considering mail order come from Forest Farm in OR. You can get seeds from Plants of the Southwest.

A great draw nectar-wise is kidneywood - less difficult to find, but still difficult. It's native TX zones are 4,7,8,9,10 Eysenhardtia texana. It is supposed to attract lots of butterflies - haven't acquired this one yet.

I think it would be worth the time and effort to find them if you like butterflies. Both are small trees/shrubs that could fit just about anywhere - even in filtered shade. If you are blessed enough to get them for your yard, you might find a wider variety of butterflies coming for a visit.

Josephine, Arlington, TX(Zone 8a)

Indirt, it looks like you are into trees, do you have a lot of unusual ones?

Hico, TX(Zone 8a)

I like trees a lot, but I wouldn't say I know a lot about them. I can identify common ones, but have difficulty distinguishing among specific ones. I can say that one over there is a live oak, but which kind, I don't know. I am just now finding out there are more than one kind that grows in my area and baby live oaks can look a lot like holly.

I think maybe I have a deep interest in plants of all kinds that attract butterflies and birds. I find that in general people are unaware that they require specific plants and habitats to survive. A lot of nurseries sell so many plants that do not meet these requirements and the ones that do, require lots of water. A lot of builders and landscapers buy these plants in bulk and set them neatly in a yard - looks good, but sterile - something is missing - rather twilight-zonish. There are whole neighborhoods that only attract the scavenger birds (European or house sparrows and starlings and our very own, but overpopulated, grackles).

When I first began gardening, I was one of those people that thought that if I bought pretty plants for my yard that birds and butterflies would come. When they didn't, I had to know why.

Although I still have to buy that plant that captures my eye, I try hard to plant up natives that attract - even here need to be careful. Not all natives will attract what you want and some that you don't want, do. I found poison ivy hosting the most interesting of caterpillars - maybe someday I'll find out what it turned into.

Josephine, Arlington, TX(Zone 8a)

I like your gardening phylosophy. Garden on my friend.
Josephine.

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