New plant growing from flower stem

Hey guys! Remember when this happened before? I tried to find the other thread but couldn't. I know someone else had this happen.

Look where the two blooms join at the main stem. There is a little plant starting. This in on allegro apelachian trail.

Just wanted to remember who had this same thing happen and what ever became of the little plant.

Nanna

When I enlarged the picture you can see another plant starting on the flower stem at the left, also.

This message was edited Dec 15, 2005 8:56 AM

From http://www.avsc.ca/propagation.htm#Peduncle

Peduncle
Sucker propagation as described is fine if we do not want to make too many copies of the parent, but chimeras are very much in demand so another method is used to obtain plantlets. It is called peduncle propagation. The peduncle is the main blossom stem of the plant. If you look closely at a peduncle you will see it has two small leaves just below the point where the individual blossom stalks branch off. In the axil of each leaflet there is a very tiny sucker. These suckers can be induced to grow into larger suckers with which we can work by cutting the blossom stem about 6 mm. (1/4 in.) below the leaflets and cutting off all the branching blossom stems about 3 mm. (1/8 in.) above the leaflets. The remaining leaflets and their tiny piece of stalk are rooted in rooting medium. If conditions are right, the almost invisible suckers will expand and eventually turn into little plantlets which may be cut from the stalk and rooted.

Beg.... Thanks for the wonderful information. Was it you this happened to before?

This message was edited Dec 15, 2005 9:34 AM

From Optimira web site
Peduncle Cutting: A bloom stalk used to reproduce African Violets. This form of propagation involves removing a bloom stalk with about 1/2 to 1 inch of the peduncle from a parent plant. This cutting is placed into potting soil or some other rooting medium, stem first, up to the point where pedicels connect to the peduncle. For most growers, this is the only reliable method for reproducing chimeras. African Violets may also be propagated by seed, division (or separation), leaf cutting or by rooting a sucker.



also with the Keikigrow stuff here

http://www.geocities.com/rachelsreflections/keiki.htm

No, but I remember the Keikigrow thread because I tried to find the stuff. It's out of Canada. I have some of these little plantlets starting to grow on one of mine and wanted to do the same.

You're wonderful. Thank you. Keep in touch and let us all know this type of propogation works for you. I will try to do the same.

This message was edited Dec 15, 2005 9:46 AM

Begoina wonderful information Thank You ! I posted the Keikigrow
sight same as yours in Chimera thread but it's not working now ? Hope it gets fixed ?
Here are some more great links one has slide show of Keikigrow

http://www.orchidmall.com/hormones/keikifaq.htm

http://www.orchidmall.com/hormones/slide1.htm

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/chimeras/chimeralec/chimeras.html
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/chimeras/chimera.html

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/chimeras/Valprop/Val.html

I found more axil leaves on another plant. I planted it as discribed above. I tried it first on a noid to get some experience.

Nanna

So, does anyone have some of this Keiki grow or know how to get it in the US?

I don't. I followed Optimira's suggestions. In one of the AV books I have they strongly suggest not using growing compound on avs. This is from the African Violet Handbook by Tony Clements.

"The use of hormone rooting powder is not necessary with African violets; in fact, many people have found that this can have a detrimental effect."

Short and sweet. I have found that rooting powder on the leaf cutting adds another 2 to 3 weeks for ears to appear. My experience consists of one time using rooting powder on half of the leaves and leaving the other half pure.

This is from African Violets, The Complete Guide by Joan Hill & Gwen Goodship

"There are certain leaves which may be used for propagation, namely the usually insignificant two small leaves behind the inflorescence on the flowere peduncle. Flowers above these leaves should be removed so that very short pedicel stubs remain -- but wichout damaging the base of the stubs -- and the peduncle cut through about 0.75 inch below the tiny leaves. This cutting is inserted into a small pot of moist compost or vermiculite so that the leaf axils are level with the surface of the compost; it is then treated as a normal leaf cutting. Minute plantlets will grow from the axils of the two tiny leaves, and when large enough they should be potted up individually and grown on as any other plantlet."

It goes on to explain that this as well as succors is the only sure propagation for Chimera.

Follows Optimira instructions.

Oh good the link above about Keikigrow is working ! I have always liked this link but never had Keikigrow before. I do know it's expensive.
I was lucky my chimera had several baskets growing on the flowere peduncle. I put them in their own little 1 3/4 wicked pots the other day :)) Their so cute ! Allison

Thanks for the great info ladies...Unfortunately..not knowing any better..I used rooting hormone on mine :(

Don't say unfortunately. There are many on this forum who use rooting hormone and it has worked very well for them. It is always good to know that there is more than one way of doing things. That way you have a choice.

Well will keep you informed on my progress.
My husband is taking me to lowe's today to pick up some more perlite, some more soil AND the things for my new plant stand he okayed in the spare bedroom *woohooo!*
We are also going to get the lights today...so I have a weekend project!

I used rooting hormone as a matter of course until my most recent round of leaves.... I do think these leaves have started putting up ears a couple of weeks sooner than my usual luck, but that could also be the lights they're under.... Anyway, they will come up just fine with the rooting hormone, but it may take a couple more weeks, that's all. NP.

One more piece of information about the peduncle. I noticed a place on the AA Trail where this type of growth may have occured before and simply left to grow instead of being removed.

The little plantlet seems to be growning so I am going to leave it on the plant and watch what happens.

Nanna it's a basket. I just took three off a Chimera and set them down in thumb print pots :)) They had 6=8 tiny leaves each. Their so cute. . Someone was telling me I forget who they had Baskets on their plants and the baskets were blooming :)) I'm hoping for more baskets on my Chimeras :))

I think the "baskets" are the way the appalachian trail trailes.

VT have you every heard of this type of trailing?

Well it's not just your plant. You mean the little plant between the flowers ? It's called a basket. Your know how bllom stalks sometimes get two little leaves , well theses are baskets little babies like suckers. .
They can come off when you are ready and planted in little pot a new plant will grow. One of my trailing Chimera gave me a few ! This is great it will give me new Chimera plants :)) Allison

Did you read the link begonia left about it. Tells all about the sucker baby which is called a basket :)) Great link Begonia

I've been trying to find more information on Peduncle
Sucker propagation . Here on the internet I fount some I'm sure there's more out there.
Figure 4. Expanded vegetative plantlets produced on a flowering plant of 'Valencia' in the greenhouse
It's not rare and nice way to get new plants ! Very nice for Chimera plants as it produces true blooming plants like parent. So I was happy my trailing Chimera gave me 3 good size ones all in their own little pots now :))

Thanks VT

Your welome. I think its great to get them ! New plants fast :))

Just as an experiment, I tried the Keikigrow method, except I used Olivia's cloning gel that I already had, and used a sewing needle to scratch the surface near the leaf axial on a few of my violets with leaves under the flowers. Probably wont amount to anything but since I couldn't hurt, I thought I'd give it a try.

Sounds great ! You are good at experiments. You should do some hybridizing. Maybe come up with some of your own plants :)) We could help you name them !

That's my next move with begonias. after I master propagating them by seed! So many things to do... so little time...

Yes true but your so good at it :))

Nana,
I have several plants that do that, too!
My big Blue/Purlpe NOID did it and I cut it off and potted it up...it seems to be doing fine so far.

I have another pink mini NOID that shoots them straight out on a long stem ...the first time I saw it I laughed and thought Oh great now what did I do to my poor plants..lol

MsC

Bumping to show the basket. Is this the one you were talking about, Allison

Well no but a good one. I made a thread and showed a cut off basket and potted it up in steps with pictures.
Thanks for trying my search is not working.

I remember that. But I couldn't find it. I found this in the December group. about # 58 or so.