I have several hoya cuttings in large ziplock baggies. I followed the directions to rinse them out, shake all the water out. put the cutting in and blow it up. I refill with my own hot air (of which I have plenty LOL) each day. But nothing. No roots or anything. They still look fresh and healthy but I'm wondering on average, how long until roots appear, where should I expect the roots to emerge from and am I doing it right?
They have been in the baggies since about 11/17/05
varieties are:
h. polynura 'fishtail'
h. carnosa rubra
h. polystacha (which has lots of nubbies but they are at the wrong end!)
and h. meredethii (which I don't have in a baggie, but in a propagation tray filled with 100% perlite on a heated mat)
thanks hoya buddies!
P.S. I suppose I'm not a hoya virgin anymore. I did cheat a bit and this weekend bought a hoya coronaria? in bud/bloom! It's my first!
Baggie rooting method question
Yeah! Nothing like buds opening to get you excited. Do the leaves feel smooth (glabrous) or fuzzy (pubescent)? Or smooth on one side and fuzzy on the other?
Just wondering.....Susan
Susan,
I was trying to remember did you say I can root cuttings I water?
TIA
Patti
Hi Laurie,
Oh I got so excited to see your H. coronaria blooming. But I think it is mislabled. H. coronaria is an Eriostemma, and the leaves do not look like that. Also the flowers are white, so I have read, I have never scene one.( I could be wrong) pretty leaves and flowers though. I don't know what it is.. But I'm liking the leaves alot, and the flower is well simply wonderful.
I never had alot of luch with baggie rooting method. It does take awhile for me anyway. I have better luck in water. The roots will form along the stem from the nubbies. Have been trying in rooting hormone and soil, and am doing pretty good so far. Others have alot of success with the baggie method. HTH
Tami
This message was edited Nov 29, 2005 2:43 PM
Wow, what a great plant! I'm not sure what it is, but it is gorgeous. Definitely not a coronaria. Who cares, it's fantastic! I also root in water. I can't get the baggie method to do a darn thing for me!
Heather
Thanks for the info on rooting. Patti
Howdy!!! Nice plant but I suspect it is H. australis. H. coronaria has much different leaves and the flowers are about 2.5" across....your flowers are very 'australisy'...hard to tell which one...if all parts of the leaves are squeeky smooth it is ssp. tenuipes and if the back is fuzzier than the top it is ssp. australis.
Can't help you with the baggie method...I don't use it and haven't a clue...
Carol
So Carol, how would you root them given any choice. I know some begonias root licketysplit in water, other turn to mush. Some love 100% perlite, others just sit there. Some root in a baggie, some melt. So given the varieties I mentioned, how would you advise me to root them? Thanks!
Laurie
Lali....there are so many choices how to root that one could go nuts figuring out the "best" way. Some swear by the baggie method, others by the water method and while I have used baggies with the small leafed small stemmed species....or I have put a baggie over the pot where they ae rooting, I prefer soil. But not just any old soil.
Look at it this way: most Hoya are epiphytes. The seed finds a moist inviting crotch or notch in a tree and there it germinates. Once it grows up, the vines travel along and root to the surface (hopefully), especially if it encounters another warm inviting crotch in a tree where leaf litter, some moss and bird poop have made a terrific rooting place.
The roots, generally, enjoy air - not all 'sogged in". At least this is what I find. I used to use a mixture of peatmoss and perlite, but the peatmoss would get too dry too fast. Then I used a mixture of spagnum moss and pearlite wrapped around the stem losely and kept moist....with air circulation. Hmmm, this method worked really really well - and by the way, is the method that David Liddle uses (he wraps the stem in spagnum and puts it into a small pot with artificial soil in the bottom. This arrangement he keeps misted and moist and it works beautifully.
Needing to take a shortcut one time...no time to rinse the spagnum and go thru that routine, I used the potting soil I use for most of my plants - with no fertilizer added which I do for my rooted cuttings when/if I transplant. It is equal parts fine orchid bark or coir, #3 perlite, lava cinders and chunky peat (which is full of twigs and stuff). When wet I can squeeze this medium and it NEVER gloms together!!! I stick the cuttings in this mixture, keep them damp on a heat mat....and I do hundreds at a time. When we get the dry Kona Winds (hot and dry) I mist the pots on the heat mat when I remember and the greenhouse does have a fair amount of humidity. I lose maybe .05%. I have heard of people using pottery shards, wine corks chopped up, volcanic pumice....anything to aerate the medium Don't use red lava rock because it has too much iron.
I live in ideal conditions, granted! My heatmats are under 80% shade with bright indirect light. The mats go on when the ambient temperature goes below 73 deg. If I need more room on the mats, I take the bigger easy to root hoyas and put them in a shady area off the heat mats and they root just fine....
My feeling is that plants need/want to grow like they do, or closely to, how they grow in nature. Warmth (for most), indirect bright light, humidity and air movement are key....the airmovement (not drafts) being, I think, most critical.
Remember...this is just how I do it...doesn't mean it is the only way by any means.
:>) Carol
Carol, this is excellent advise! And thanks so much for bringing me around to thinking about 'basics' again. i.e. how would it live in it's natural environment. This makes sense.
I agree, there are as many different ways to root as there are gardeners out there. But since I am a hoya neophyte and since I have killed everyone I have ever owned (new collection not withstanding), It doesn't hurt to know what others do that gives them success so that I can at least try a few different ways. I very much appreciate the info!!!
Now for the wine corks, no problem. That's one of the benefits of living in the Napa Valley! We get to drink more than our fair share of wine, and good wine at that! I knew those corks were good for something other than trivets and cork boards!
Actually begonias like the orchid bark and perlite too. They just like to have plenty of air pockets around their roots.
Now one more quick question. I received from another DGer Hoya 'Ruthie' (big hug Awanda!!). I've heard that Eriostemmas want some coral at the bottom of their pots? Or that some have had good luck doing this.
My question is two fold.
1) can I use the hunk of coral we found at the beach (mash it with a hammer?) or do I need to just buy it from the Aquarium/fish store
2) what is the difference between Eriostemmas and Hoya. And how would one be able to tell by looking at them (or not)
thanks hoya buddies!
Hmmmm. Eriostemmas are a 'class' of hoyas (they don't know it....it's a ManMade designation, after all) and they are basically terrestial until they find something to wind around and then they climb UP to the sunlight and bloom in the tops of trees. 'Ruthie' is a hybrid between two other Eriostemmas and she is quite a weed!!! All of the other Eriostemmas I have seen have very similarly shaped leaves, but are pubescent (hairy), either on one side or both. 'Ruthie' is the only one I know that is glabrous (hairless, and smooth) on both sides. 'Ruthie' also lives in full sun and does not suffer for it...the leaves never burn...she is amazing.
Many Eriostemmas are found growing in areas that have a limestone subsoil, or limestone rocks under the 'soil'...and I am told that putting limestone (or crushed coral) in the bottom of the pot mimicks their natural enviornment. Since I have not collected them, I don't know this for truth...but mine have lived happily without it for years. Recently I have started putting crushed coral in the pots...or sprinkling it on the top of the soil to work thru to the roots when I water them. Yes...mashing the coral from the beach would work just as well...but just a pinch will do.
Hope this helps.
Carol
What about using crushed oyster shell? i have a huge bag of it that I give my hens to make their egg shells a bit sturdier.
I forget the different forms of calcium between coral and oystershell....but Ed Gilding tells me that coral is more readily available to the plants. If you have the oystershell, tho, why not use it?....
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