I'd like to talk about light and African violets :))

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

**** Did you know Light is one of the most important recipes in the growth of your African Violets? ******

Did you know Light is one of the most important recipes in the growth of your African Violets?

Light is the only form of energy, so far as we know that will initiate the process of Photosynthesis.

You ask what is Photosynthesis?
Photosynthesis means manufacture by light. This process takes place only in the green parts of plants. A plant leaf is a factory that captures the energy of light, enabling the plant to absorb carbon dioxide from the air and combine it with water to absorbed by the plant's roots to make carbohydrates. These are chemical substances from which all other foods and all parts of living cells are made.

With out the correct amount of light you can feed your plants all you want the food won't work ...African Violets need plenty of light ~ What is Chlorophyll you ask?
It is the green stuff in all vegetative matter that captures and uses the energy of light to convert air and water by photosynthesis into sugars and starches.

Do all plants need the same amount of light?
No. Various plants require different amounts of light, for different periods of time. Geraniums need more than gesneriads, for example and among other gesneriads, African violets need less than gloxinias but more than episcias.

What kind plant is the African Violet, in regard to its light requirements?
It is an indeterminate or daylight, neutral plant, that is, it does not require a specific number of hours of darkness or light to flower and set seed, but will do so under a wide range of day lengths.

Which is best for violets, natural daylight or fluorescent light?
Either light will grow fine violets if culture is good. With natural light in east window is preferred. Plants can be grown properly in south and west exposures only if the light is filtered on bright sunny days.

My plants are in both natural and grow lights as their stands are blessed to be in a room full of windows should my plants ever have direct sunlight?
Yes During the dark days of midwinter, mild sunshine (but not glare from Snow) is beneficial and encourages growth and bloom. During other seasons, African violets must be protected from lengthy exposure to direct sunshine.

Will screen left up during the window, reduce the amount of light?
Yes. During the dark days of winter, screen will reduce window light by 25 to 30 percent... dirty windows and dirty leaves will also reduce light.

When my plants are most in flower, my foliage looks the worst. Why is this?
No doubt your plants at this pint are enjoying an abundance of strong light and sun. This is marvelous for flowering plants, however, violet foliage is very tender and the sun bleaches out much of the chlorophyll in the foliage, leaving it pale and limp. You should find a way of adjusting light without cutting it.


African violets are grown all over the World with Artificial light alone. It is almost ideal way to grow fine, heavy-blooming plants year round!

Do plants under fluorescent light require more fertilizer than plants in a window?
Yes they do, because they are constantly growing. In daylight a plant is governed by the season; but under fluorescent lights you are creating and ideal growing season, so you must give the plant conditions accordingly. A healthy, blooming plant shows perfect balance of light, food, humidity, temperature, and water.
Twelve hours a day or more of Fluorescent lighting is great for African Violets.

Does a fluorescent tube emit the same amount of light along it's full length?
No... Light output falls off at both ends of any fluorescent tube, due to its internal construction and the blackening due to use. It is best, therefore, to use the longest fixture and lamps possible. If you have 100 inches in length to illuminate, use one fixture with 96 inches tubes rather than two fixtures of 48 inches end to end.

How often should fluorescent lamps be replaced?
Bulbs should be changed about every 15 to 18 months, or when dark rings appear at the ends of the tubes, whichever comes first. I belong to a local group and everyone show plants so they replace their light tubes once a year. Also when replacing them do one per fixture at a time next week do the other so your plants don't go into light shark.

Are Gro-Lux lamps expensive?
They cost twice as much as standard white fluorescent lamps, however with Gro-Lux lamps you get back in radiant energy usable by African Violets nearly 100 per cent of the electrical power you put into the lamp. From conventional white fluorescent lamps you get in usable radiation about 50 per cent of the power you pay for - the rest goes into radiation that plants do not need or use.

What can I expect if I switch to Gro-Lux lamps?
The first thing you will notice is the dramatic change in the appearance of your African violets! Every bit of flower color enhanced and foliage looks lush and vibrant and exceedingly healthy. Within a week you will see that they actually are growing better.

How many hours of light?
How many hours of fluorescent lights are needed by African violets each day? Generally 12 to 14 hours a day, and additional hours up to 16 hours do not seem to harm them and is good getting ready for show.

Should I burn my fluorescent lights over my violets the same number of hours everyday of the year?
Reduce to 10 to 12 hours during periods of extreme heat. Here in Florida I turn mine off by noon and run them at night when it's so hot out So many of my girl -type plants tend to knot up in the center when grown under lights.

Does everyone have this problem or am I doing something wrong?
I can't say if everyone has the difficulty but I know I do. I have tried giving them less light, shorter hours, covering the crown, and still have not been able to get over the difficulty. I found the solution seems to be place the girl leaf plants near the end of the fluorescent tubes where the light is not as strong, or group them together and give them shorter hours of light.

What are the symptoms of insufficient fluorescent light?
The leaves will grow upward.

What are the symptoms of too much fluorescent light?
The plant will bunch and tighten in the center and turn gray-the symptom is much like that of an infestation of cyclamen mite. Too much light can also cause variegated African violets foliage to revert to solid green; technically this amount to making a sick plant well again because the variegation in a plant foliage is actually an abnormal distribution or absence of chlorophyll.




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Silver Spring, MD

Light might not only be the problem for the girl leaf plants. I understand that growing tight in the center in just one of the things that girl leaf plants do. I have had success by removing one row of leaves. This makes room for the light to get to the crown and allow blooms to develop.


The leaves you cut are next to center.


This message was edited Nov 10, 2005 8:16 AM

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

That's helps a lot with girl leaf plants. I really like girl leaf plants. The one I have always grow really nice . If they get a little messy I put them in the windows natural light for awhile . Their so pretty !

south of Grand Rapid, MI(Zone 5a)

Not sure if I missed this or not, but how far away from the lights to you place your violets. Looks like a beautiful set up you have!!

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Gosh they are pretty close. I have them adjusted as needed. Mini's and semi's are realy close . I'd have to say 6-8 inches above the plants. Leaves and babies with mom are close almost touching.
Everyone is happy :)) This cooler weather is bringing out lot's of flowers !

Silver Spring, MD

My light set up is with shop lights. On the bottom the standards are about 12 inches from the light. I haven't finished the top yet. Mini's are propped up higher than the trailers.

Nanna

Forgot to say the white and light colored plants are to the outside and the variegated leaf and darker colored blooming plants are to the center.

This message was edited Nov 10, 2005 8:21 AM

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Silver Spring, MD

Here is a corner cabinet we just put lights in. It's small and the light is probably not enough, but so far the plants are happy. The only one that didn't like it was sticky wicket.


Nanna

Sorry you have to look sideways.

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Silver Spring, MD

This of course is the dinning room window. Which is heaven to violets.

Three of my favorite noids. The one of the left is "like opitmira Michigan". The one on the right I call Evening Star. No name as yet for the one in the middle.

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Lovely! I've got all that aren't currently blooming on the light shelves in the basement that I set up for seedlings... so far they look fine, hope they'll be happier there. Y'all have convinced me that lights help, although my morning room is pretty bright too, so we'll see if there's a difference.

Those are gorgeous blooms, ladies! Nanna, is your Evening Star the same as the one you gave me that you said had a blue star?

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Hi Nanna
Great pictures :)) I use four foot double shop light fixtures also.
I just love your book shelf ! I love doing things like that :))
I did have to play with your picture :)) hope you don't mind. Thanks for sharing they are wonderful , Allison

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Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

critterologist
my one stand above is mostly baby plants and some leaves, some leaves with Mom :))
Nanna , Evening Star is stunning ~ Have you had her a long time ? Did you grow her by leaf ? She is really something ! All your plants are beautiful. Allison

Silver Spring, MD

VT Thanks for turning the picture. You're wonderful. I found evening star at home depot this summer. The only one like it on the shelf. She had only one bloom but I fell in love with it. She still has baby leaves on the bottom row of leaves. She has slowed down on producing blooms and I plan to start another tray of leaves soon.

Nanna

Jill
Evening Star is different than the big blue star I gave you.

This message was edited Nov 10, 2005 11:25 AM

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I have a noid with a purple star, similar to Nanna's Evening Star but a different color (if Evening Star is the blue one she gave me... hard to judge blue/purples on digipics). It's one of my favorite plants -- a good bloomer, and very forgiving. Noids like these are one reason I didn't want to rule out including a favorite NOID or two in the Secret EB trade.... If you have thoughts on this, please post on the EB thread.

I love the way those AVs "show off" against the dark wood of that corner cabinet!

Floyd, VA(Zone 6b)

What is a noid?

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

What's a Noid?
Noid stands for an African violet with No identification (No ID). Most of the African violets sold in grocery stores and garden centers don’t have a name. If you see a picture that looks like your violet, make sure to put a question mark after the name . To be Honest it is very hard to ID Noids. For fun I see no reason why you can't name them and put noid in their name so people know :))

This message was edited Nov 11, 2005 5:45 AM

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Last weekend, DH helped me get these lights over two shelves in my morning room. The upper light is hanging from plant brackets, and the lower one you can see hangs from cup hooks on the bottom of the shelf above.

This is my "before" picture, as the AVs have only been under these lights for a few days. Hopefully, I'll soon have an "after" picture like Nanna posted above!

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Silver Spring, MD

Great set up, Jill. I'll plass along a tip. The ends of the lights are the coolest. White and pink blooms do best there. The middle of the light is the brightest. Dark colored blooms love it there.

Isn't is fun!!! Bill gets a big kick out of me and my drooling.

You dun good!!!

Nanna

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

The only problem is that these shelves are above the pass-through opening into the kitchen, so my lovelies will be a bit high for easy viewing (I stood on a chair to get this picture). I'll just continue my custom of bringing down the ones in full bloom and distributing them around... of course, if my AVs respond to the lights the way yours did, I'd be bringing down nearly every one of them! LOL.

I tried to keep your tip in mind as I set these up, but I'm sure I'll do a lot of rearranging! A lot of my variegated AVs went down to the basement shelves, to see if the cooler temps will improve their color.

Silver Spring, MD

Rearranging is half the fun. I can picture the set up in my mind. Again, it was so much fun being with you in October!!!

Did you post pictures of the basement shelves??? Did I miss them???

Nanna

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

whoops! I will have to take my camera down there later on...

but in the meantime, here's how the setup looked last spring when I had the shelves filled with seedlings:

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Silver Spring, MD

Great set up. Much larger scale than my little work table. I really have to keep a tight reign on things. I could let the little darlings take over my house.

Did all those plantlets turn into what you had imagined they would? Did you give lots away and trade?

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Oh, gosh, I think I ended up with more than 2 dozen flats down there last spring.... This photo doesn't show the second shelving unit DH set up for me by the window, with 4 more sets of lights for the lower shelf.... When I started trading seeds at DG and amassing this huge variety of peppers, tomatoes, etc that I wanted to start, DH shook his head.... and went out and bought me another shelving unit! He is such a sweetie! He doesn't understand it, but he knows gardening brings me joy, so he's an enabler!

I gave several flats away to friends & neighbors, sent out a few things (I was just starting to learn how to send plants last spring), and planted most of the rest.... I like to do a couple of flats of annual flowers, and I started a number of perennials also, including that flat of daylily seedlings on the top right. (The daylilies did great! There are at least 30 little plants out there in my daff bed, and I'm hoping for a few blooms next year.) I always end up with a couple flats of basils, as I have a "thing" for edible ornamentals. I have to confess that a few things are still in deck pots, and I'll be tucking them in "somewhere" this Sunday.

I run into space problems when I get really good germination on tomatoes & peppers... I just can't bear to toss the extra seedlings when I think somebody else will want them! Nanna, you are welcome to lay claim to some of my "extras" next spring. I've already promised 3 flats worth of space to my neighbors, so I could start a flat for you too! Between those flats and the 2 shelves I've now filled with AVs, I think I am going to have to add lights to the remaining bottom shelves this spring. Or I could cut back.... ;-)

As to what the plantlets turned into.... Just take a look at this year's chile pepper patch! I know this is off topic for this forum, but it was *awesome*! Some of the habaneros in the middle row grew 5 feet tall, so they are hiding the sprawling cayenne varieties behind them (nothing got staked but the early tomatoes along the back wall).



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Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

WOW you have a Nursery ! And a GREEN arm :)) Great set up nice gardens. Oh how I wish I could still do those things. You are so Blessed . Wonderful your enjoying every minute of it !
Allison

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Did you know Light is one of the most important recipes in the growth of your African Violets?

Northern California, CA(Zone 9a)

So Ali, how about some new photos of your light stands. ???

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

OOps Ok :))

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

bumping up light thread

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