Hi all, the unusual bud below is on an unidentified Passiflora species from Brazil. I've got a lot of Passifloras, but I've never seen a a bud like this. There are a few more but this is the largest one. The plant is close to year old (seed grown) and this will be it's first bloom, if it makes it before it gets too cold.
Anyone have ID ideas???
now that is WIERD! I have never seen anything like it, are you sure it's a passiflora? I can see the resemblance... but barely. the points on the tips of the sepals are greatly inlarged and the rest of the sepals have shrunk alot. Post a flower pic when you get it :)
-Zem
I hope you don't mine me taking the picture and using it for a comparison. (with passiflora caerulea bud)
No Zem I don't mind at all.
I'm sure it's a passiflora of some kind, going by the leaf shape, general growth and the tendrils of course. I'll try to post a picture of the leaves tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it makes it in to flower; it's supposed to be 40 here tonight, somewhat ahead (and unusual) of schedule and I haven't prepared my plastic covered patio to move everything onto yet, so it's taking it's chances outside.
What the heck is that??????? lol I would love very much to see the leaf, tendril and the nodes on the leaf stem if you are able to do all that. I'm very curious now, I've never seen anything like it.
Mark
Man if that isn't a freak or fluke of nature, I don't know what is. Please keep the photo's and details coming so we might be able to figure this 1 out. I too have a lot of passiflora's but I've never seen anything remotely close to that. Has it been exposed to any odd weather extremes or anything else that could throw a plant for a loop?
I'll be looking for updates and get a few others to help out too.
Thanks, JD
One thing I remember from some of the smaller Decaloba type passiflora is that they can produce "false flowers". I don't remember the exact explanation, but they don't develop all the way into a flower and yet they open up a little to look like a teeny tiny minature flower, looking nothing like it's flower is supose to be. The 3 leaves we see, could those be the bracts that come up around the bud? Even those don't look like passiflora though. How wierd. lol
Mark
As per everyone's request, here's the lastest pictures. I need to get some real closeups this weekend when I have the time.
The leaves/stem/tendrils first...
Here's a side pic of another one of the buds... that brings the total to three.
Ok, regarding the other questions, I think the leaf looking things are indeed bracts, but they're not like any I've seen before. The leaves start out like in the first picture, but mature to the usual green shade, around 2 inches wide. Overall growth rate is moderate, but not really dense, and it had a slowdown when it got really hot here. As for adverse weather, nothing unusual until it got so cold (25th &26th), but that was after these were already there.
I think that about covers it to this point lol.
I found three more buds today on one of the stems that's gone up into a Chorisia tree...
Am I the only seeing what appears to be 2 totally different vines in the last pic. Look at the leaves surround the bud/bloom in the first picture where is appears the leaves are separate and distinct from each other like separate leaves. In some of the other shots, you can see tri lobed leaves that are definitely one leaf. In the last shot, it appears to be 2 distinct vines running together. Are my eyes getting old?
What is the vine/branch I marked on the photo? Does the vine have 2 separate types of leaves on it or are they separate vines?
I have some passi's that start off with the large oblong single bladed leaves and when they mature, they grow leaves like you've circled. I have no idea whats going on with those things on stems! LOL
Will be an interesting outcome for sure, too bad it's fall and not spring darnit.
JD
HI JD
That's the first I heard that. I have several passi and they always start with true leaves.
I'll have to look at mine more closely from now on.
Yes my P. Alata and P. Edulis both began with enormous oblong leaves. After the first few nodes, they finally started putting on 3 lobbed leaves like all the others. I think those 2 passi's in particular are bigger vines naturally, here they don't grow dainty thin "branches" like all the others. Both have very thick stems all the way up, it seems like they take much longer to mature as well.
I'll see if I can take or find a photo to demonstrate this leaf pattern. I found it very odd too, I thought I may have been sent the wrong plants for a while.
I can't wait to see what this 1 here does when this "drama" unfolds. LOL
JD
LOL budgie, that's a a strap I'm using to try to get my Chorisia tree to grow straight:-) It's right next to the Passiflora and the passi has grown over onto one of the tree's limbs. As for the first pic there are a few leaves from another vine off to the side, but all of the leaves on the passi are the lobed kind.
JD, I have some seedlings (ambigua x serrulata) that are displaying both kinds of leaves right now, I'll try to post a pic tomorrow.
LOL. Actually, I was pointed to the other vine looking branch,. It's hard to see the arrow point. How long/old is the vine. Seed the leaf differences in the 2 leaves I marked. This can sometimes be expected in young vines and seedlings. I can see how tall the limb is to compare it with.
Jan...
The ones that are on the left of the pic are the bracts around the three buds, the one on the right is what all of the leaves look like. It's around 10 feet (give or take a few) tall now, and is about 10 months old.
Here's a pic of the variation in leaves that JD was talking about...
Here are the oblong leaves on a P. Alata. I had already pruned off all the 3 lobed leaves when I took cuttings. Even the cuttings revert back into growing these leaves before growing out the more obvious 3 bladed leaves. I think this maybe due to this plant being less than 1 year old seedling. We'll soon see if it matures and quits growing these singles.
I've started a new thread with pics of the blooms here: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/557465/
