I have a few Nelumbo nucifera straight from Egypt. I germinated some back when I first brought them here and I was able to get 6 for 6. I decided I wasn’t into them anymore and gave each plant away.
I have 4 seeds of this plant left. If you are a die hard ponder and have germinated any type of lotus before, you should get 100% germination as I did. I can help you with germination on these if you are interested.
This is a knock down drag out gorgeous plant and I chose to offer the seed here rather than in the seed trading forum because it is horribly difficult to come by and I wanted a ponder to get it.
Here’s a thread I started looking for milkweeds, some other miscellaneous, and white seed for a moon garden-
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/544142/
If you have any of the seed that I am looking for it would be great but if you don’t have anything to trade and haver been lusting for N. nucifera, it’s ok and I’ll still send them to you in a bubble mailer. US residents only please.
Nelumbo nucifera seed
Chewgots dmail!
Sold to the highest bidder! Just kidding. All the seed I had of Nelumbo nucifera goes to BogweedBuck!
All gone????????????????????
Kaleem
Sorry Kaleem, all gone is all gone. If it makes you feel any better, It wouldn't have mattered any way because you are in Pakistan. I don't have an export permit so I can't ship anything out of the United States. Too risky these days and the fines can be in excess of $2,500. That's why I had typed "US residents only please".
Equilibrium~
I didn't think there was a restriction on shipping seeds.
Can you direct me to the laws about this?
raydio.
I am just cutting and pasting this as there is no such thing as a brief explanation. For what it's worth, my interpretation would be that tissue cultured plants appear to be exempt however it appears one must still procure the appropriate certification that the plants were produced from virus free mother stock and this will cost one a pretty penny. All plants, and all plant parts to include but not limited to seed, rhizomes, cuttings, bulbs, fruits, and all propagative parts will be deemed either Appendix I, II, or III. Best to contact APHIS for further explanation on their definition and current interpretation of same. After one complies by procuring the appropriate permits and paying for and procurring and all additional permit from the US, one should contact the recipient and make sure they are in compliance form their end. Best to contact the Country the material will be sent to and comply with procurring the appropriate permits, paying for same, and providing phytosanitary certificates (almost always required with few exceptions), as well as fumigation and quarantine fees if required yourself because it could be your neck on the line the instant you place your name and return address on the envelope or package. One can generally contact an Embassy to be guided through the process which can be lengthy as well as costly-
Appendix I - plants threatened with extinction. (give up all hope of ever getting a CITES I import and export permit unless you're a superhero)
Appendix II - plants threatened in the wild but not close to extinction (yet) (normal mortals can get an export permit if they try hard enough to get through the red tape and jump through numerous hoops etc etc)
If you would like to read the text right from the CITES document dealing with classifying the 3 appendixes and conditions to import/export appendix I and II.
ARTICLE II Fundamental Principles
1. Appendix I shall include all species threatened with extinction which are or may be affected by trade. Trade in specimens of these species must be subject to particularly strict regulation in order not to endanger further their survival and must only be authorized in exceptional circumstances.
2. Appendix II shall include:
(a) all species which although not necessarily now threatened with extinction may become so unless trade in specimens of such species is subject to strict regulation in order to avoid utilization incompatible with their survival; and
(b) other species which must be subject to regulation in order that trade in specimens of certain species referred to in sub-paragraph (a) of this paragraph may be brought under effective control.
3. Appendix III shall include all species which any Party identifies as being subject to regulation within its jurisdiction for the purpose of preventing or restricting exploitation, and as needing the co-operation of other Parties in the control of trade.
4. The Parties shall not allow trade in specimens of species included in Appendices I, II and III except in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention.
ARTICLE III Regulation of Trade in Specimens of Species Included in Appendix I
1. All trade in specimens of species included in Appendix I shall be in accordance with the provisions of this Article.
2. The export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of an export permit. An export permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Scientific Authority of the State of export has advised that such export will not be detrimental to the survival of that species;
(b) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that the specimen was not obtained in contravention of the laws of that State for the protection of fauna and flora;
© a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment; and
(d) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that an import permit has been granted for the specimen.
3. The import of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of an import permit and either an export permit or a re-export certificate. An import permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Scientific Authority of the State of import has advised that the import will be for purposes which are not detrimental to the survival of the species involved;
(b) a Scientific Authority of the State of import is satisfied that the proposed recipient of a living specimen is suitably equipped to house and care for it; and
© a Management Authority of the State of import is satisfied that the specimen is not to be used for primarily commercial purposes.
4. The re-export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant and presentation of a re-export certificate. A re-export certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that the specimen was imported into that State in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention;
(b) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment; and
© a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that an import permit has been granted for any living specimen.
5. The introduction from the sea of any specimen of a species included in Appendix I shall require the prior grant of a certificate from a Management Authority of the State of introduction. A certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Scientific Authority of the State of introduction advises that the introduction will not be detrimental to the survival of the species involved;
(b) a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that the proposed recipient of a living specimen is suitably equipped to house and care for it; and
© a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that the specimen is not to be used for primarily commercial purposes.
ARTICLE IV Regulation of Trade in Specimens of Species
Included in Appendix II
1. All trade in specimens of species included in Appendix II shall be in accordance with the provisions of this Article.
2. The export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant and presentation of an export permit. An export permit shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Scientific Authority of the State of export has advised that such export will not be detrimental to the survival of that species;
(b) a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that the specimen was not obtained in contravention of the laws of that State for the protection of fauna and flora; and
© a Management Authority of the State of export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.
3. A Scientific Authority in each Party shall monitor both the export permits granted by that State for specimens of species included in Appendix II and the actual exports of such specimens. Whenever a Scientific Authority determines that the export of specimens of any such species should be limited in order to maintain that species throughout its range at a level consistent with its role in the ecosystems in which it occurs and well above the level at which that species might become eligible for inclusion in Appendix I, the Scientific Authority shall advise the appropriate Management Authority of suitable measures to be taken to limit the grant of export permits for specimens of that species.
4. The import of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior presentation of either an export permit or a re-export certificate.
5. The re-export of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant and presentation of a re-export certificate. A re-export certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that the specimen was imported into that State in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention; and
(b) a Management Authority of the State of re-export is satisfied that any living specimen will be so prepared and shipped as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.
6. The introduction from the sea of any specimen of a species included in Appendix II shall require the prior grant of a certificate from a Management Authority of the State of introduction. A certificate shall only be granted when the following conditions have been met:
(a) a Scientific Authority of the State of introduction advises that the introduction will not be detrimental to the survival of the species involved; and
(b) a Management Authority of the State of introduction is satisfied that any living specimen will be so handled as to minimize the risk of injury, damage to health or cruel treatment.
7. Certificates referred to in paragraph 6 of this Article may be granted on the advice of a Scientific Authority, in consultation with other national scientific authorities or, when appropriate, international scientific authorities, in respect of periods not exceeding one year for total numbers of specimens to be introduced in such periods.
I will add that to the best of my knowledge, Pakistan participated in the IPPC treaty and acknowledges and abides by the international standards.
"Phytosanitary certificates are governed under the International Plant Protection Convention, a multilateral treaty acknowledged by the World Trade Organization as the source for international standards for phytosanitary measures affecting trade. Phytosanitary certificates are recognized as an internationally accepted form of pest risk mitigation."
This works both ways. If you intend to receive anything from oveseas, we law abiding citzens must start with this form-
PPQ form 587
You can get help on line here-
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permits/plantproducts/nursery.html
Once you complete the form and submit it, they will get back to you and let you know what else you need to do.
This is why when I am offering something I now try real hard to remember to always type "US residents only please". It's nothing personal but I can't share with anyone other than those in my own country. I do not have the time nor the inclination to jump through all of these hoops and the consequences for not dotting every i and crossing every t are too much for me. The few times I attempted to share with people from out of the country and asked if they had the appropriate paperwork, they all claimed they didn't need any and I found out they did and it would have been my neck in the noose not theirs. Most wanted the seed but weren't willing to reimburse me the costs of sending it legally. There are nurseries out there that ship internationally and they are in a far better position to comply with all the hoops one must jump through these days to ensure one doesn't end up with stiff fines. Yes, they charge but their fees are worth every cent for peace of mind that the import/export is being handled properly. Merely sending seed and hoping the envelope isn't intercepted and inspected by Homeland Security and turned over to the USDA is not a risk I am willing to take and I certainly am not willing to risk seed being intercepted in the Country it is being sent to.
I'm sorry I can't be of more help but there are agencies out there that will guide us through the process and it truly is best to contact them because they deal with the intricacies of the laws all the time. The people are actually very nice and helpful too.
Incidentally, that seed above that started this... it had all the appropriate paperwork when it was shipped. You pay a premium for everything to be in order though.
Woah ........... tl;dr
Ya, I know. The process was overwhelming and intimidating. I just filled out and submitted two PPQ form 587 for myself to be able to purchase some carnivorous plant seed from the UK this coming April and some plants from Australia this coming May and I just got the ride of my life. I'm approved but I feel as if the process is very invasive. The people from APHIS were very patient and very helpful along the way. There is no way I could have done it without their help. They provided me with information on what would be required on the other end and all of my sellers have to meet their Country's export guidelines as well as ours. I am paying something like $60 for a phyto over and above the cost of the plants and the shipping & handling for the order I am placing from Australia plus an additional fee for their people to come out to the nursery and inspect before issuing the certificate which was another $80 and I think the phytosanitary certificate for the seed from the UK is costing only $25 beause the nursery I am ordering from has staff who are certified to inspect. That's really a great deal. Once I get the plants in the country and start growing them, I can share divisions/seeds with friends in the years to come. This is exactly how I have gotten some of my most prized plants. Other people jump through the hoops to get them here to the US then grow them and give divisions and seed to friends as gifts.
FYI, I was told right over the phone by the APHIS people that approval to ship a particular Sarracenia seed out of the country to a friend would be denied and I'd be out the $100 non-refundable application fee for even trying. I'm clean as a whistle and wouldn't be able to ship. We found a nursery that could do it so that guy is purchasing the seed he wanted through them. Believe it or not, it was considerably cheaper to go through a nursery.
You do realize that even within the US it is illegal to sell/trade/and transport across state lines certain native plants, right? Another day for that conversation as this country is trying their best to protect endangered and threatened species. I have quite a few and can't share them with anyone other than a handful in my state who are even interested in these types of plants. I can propagate them though. Getting them established can be tough.
OMG! I never imagined........
So, I take it I can't just pop a coupla seeds in my next letter to England...? ;-)
Thanks for a glimpse into the daunting world of plant import-exporting.
raydio.