Hi everyone,
On the msn site there was a post about Hoya finlaysonii 'Chanin Thorut' not being correctly named and that it is actually a new and as yet unnamed species.
It has conspicuously dark- veined leaves whereas the real H. finlaysonii should have rather plain leaves. It seems a lot of the internet images of the plant posing as H. finlaysonii are also in error . I would be really interested to see photos of this new species compared to the real Hoya finlaysonii. Does anyone have any they could post?
Thanks
Matt
photos of H. finlaysonii
Hi Matt
I post a pic of my H. finlaysonii Nova
Rosita
Hi Matt....I read that post too, which prompted me to go out and take a photo of all of my H. finlaysonii and the hybrids and some probably related to it...the one on the left is H. finlaysonii - which some people call unattractive. It Isn't a show stopper, but the green is almost a black green and the pink flecks really stand out. I believe the H. finlaysonii 'Nova' is the same as Chanin Thorut...at least that is what Michael Miyashiro told me. I will go back and post a closer up of the same photo which is in 2 parts. My labeling isn't first class...but, what the hey...
Sorry its not much better than nothing. Will come back with the other 2. Edited to say I cropped the others and they aren't much better. Tomorrow I will glue them to a sheet of paper so they will be flat and light them better...it really is fascinating to see the similarities and the differences....
This message was edited Aug 23, 2005 4:13 PM
Well, I like the # 3 one. What is that?
It is another clone of H. finlaysonii X H. incrassata. #4 is another of the same cross published as H. cv. Jennifer. The leaves are all terrific... There are many many crosses of that H. finlaysonii X H. incrassata running around - the hybridizer sent seedling off as bonus plants and they are untrackable now. I had 4 of them, all named H. finlaysonii. It IS a dogs' breakfast at times.
*** This is the reason that it is SO SO SO important to retain the names as they are. Someone might take the H. finlaysonii X H. incrassata and shorten it to H. finlaysonii and look at the muddle it creates (has created).
BTW...that H. finlaysonii 'Nova' is not THE H. finlaysonii but a clone or a relative. I call mine H. aff. finlaysonii.
Hej...I just want to say that I really don't know a heck of a lot about these things...and curiousity has taken me to search out the information...and I pass on whatever I know or think I know, or have been told...or.... Anyone is welcome to argue (but then I would have to kill you) HAHAHAHA.
Thanks Carol for the photos. It was really good to see what the real H. finlaysonii is like. I shall keep it for future reference.
I was also interested that according to Michael Miyashiro, H. finlaysonii Nova is the same as H. finlaysonii 'Chanin Thorut' - as my plant of ' 'Chanin Thorut' looks exactly like Rositas. If this is correct, then according to Ms. Burton on the MSN forum both of these would fall into this new and as yet unnamed species.
And Carol you are so right! If everyone selling Hoyas recorded the names as they should be we wouldn't end up wondering what on earth we'd got in our collections.
Here's an example of this: - a while ago I thought I had ordered three different plants:
Hoya callistophylla, Hoya meredithii GPS 3576 and Hoya meredithii GPS 1105 (large leaf)
The plants arrived, and for a while, everything was fine, but then I found out that there is no such species as meredithii and that Hoya meredithii GPS 3576 is actually............ H. callistophylla.
Then I found out that Hoya meredithii GPS 1105 (large leaf), should really be called H. vitellinoides. When I researched H. vitellinoides I realised it looked nothing like the one I had been sold and in fact, my plant instead looked more like the one I had received as H. meredithii GPS 3576 and so it was again......................................H. callistophylla
So, three different plants, became three (very similar) plants of Hoya callistophylla!!! - Anybody want one? LOL
Matt
This message was edited Aug 24, 2005 8:06 PM
Matt,
Very pretty bloom, and I love the leaf.
Patti
I took pictures of the individual leaves...but camera is sick...tomorrow I will post them.
What a bummer, Matt. At least you have the numbers with them, and perhaps someone can match the numbers who has bought the same ones. I have heard enough horror stories about Paul Shirley's IDs that I won't order from him...no matter how inexpensive he is...
BY the way, there are also 2 clones of H. callistophylla each slightly different in the leaf patterns. Would you like to see those? Perhaps that what you got? The big difference, I find, between the H. callistophyllas and the H. vitellinoides is that the H. callistophyllas are kinds stiff, cardboard like and the H. vitellinoides has softer leaves that sort of undulate (at least mine does).
HTH
I have something called H. meredithii Green. It has the BIG softer leaves like you describe and is a lighter green. I got it from Henne when she was in business. Is that the same thing as the H. vitellinoides you are talking about?
Marcy
Yes. The same. Controversy about the legitimacy of the name H. meredithii Green (Gosh, it is GOOD to see you keep the publishers' name...it is SO correct and I am very bad for not doing it), but I don't want to get into that.... I got mine as H. vitellinoides and I am sticking to it.
Hi Carol,
Yes please! If you could post some pics of the 2 clones of H. callistophylla, that would be great!
Matt
Here is the first photo I was sent illustrating H. callistophylla Wallace. I don't know who took the photo so I cannot give credit, and I would if I knew.
Second clone of H. callistophylla-
Hi Carol
H.callistophylla Wallace looks very much like the plant I have that was sold to me as Hoya meredithii GPS 3576
Regretably the other two look very like it too!! You win some, you lose some!! It's great though to be able to name them properly. Thank you so much for the photos. They are a great reference.
Matt
Well...it's a slow grower so if you have 3 you should have a great looking pot!!! This one doesn't like to dry out.
Aloha