Hoya merrillii (??)

I grew this beautiful plant from a couple of cuttings from Cindy, (thanks again Cindy). At the time she thought it was H. merrillii. Now she has hers labled as H. pentaphebia, but I am not sure that is correct. My other H. pentaphebia's leaves look quite different than this plants. I think it is what we thought originally (H. merrillii).
What do you all think? (Mine has not bloomed, but Cindy has pics of the blooms).
I love it's glossy leaves. (I did nothing to them to shine them like that).
Marcy

Wow that's a beautiful plant whatever it's called!! The leaves look just like the leaves on my Merrillii, but totally different from my H. pentaphebia.

Blessings,
Awanda

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I have H. merrillii,,,will take photos today.

No, doesn't look like H. pentaphlebia...will take picture of both leaves.

Confused? Me?

Marcy, You did a great job growing your plant from cuttings. It's beautiful and looks strong, just the way we want them to be. Now to get it to bloom. Happy growing! Deb

That is a beautiful plant!! I love the leaves and coloring. Even if it never bloomed, it is one worth keeping!
Karen

Hi Marcy, your welcome!
I got it as merrillii from Bob Smoley and I really don't know what the heck it is! I couldn't find one picture of merrillii that looked like my blooms; however I did find a Swedish site that had what appear's to be the same bloom as mine, that is why I put pentiphelbia on it with a ? after it. :) That's the way I'll leave it tagged until I find out for sure what it is. It's a nice plant what ever it is, the flower is very small and delicate looking. Mine is getting ready to bloom again. :)

Cindy

That's a beautiful plant Marcy. The leaves are indeed lovely.

Sandy

Do the flowers look like this? http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/AHcomp/AHpent1.php

This IS H. pentaphlebia from David Liddle.

Carol

That leaves on my H. pentaphlebia like the ones in Carol's picture.

Blessings,
Awanda

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My bad. Haven't had time to take pictures...tomorrow...I promise.

H. pentaphlebia reminds me a lot of H. glabra...the same 'dimples' in the leaves. My H. merrillii has just straight venation with no dimples....

If you go look at Christina Karlsson's web site you will see what my flowers look like, on the pentiphelbia. This is why I changed the name on mine with a ? mark.

Cindy

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Gorgeous Plant! You're a good plant mother, evidently!
Awesome!

I haven't had time to fix the pentaphlebia page on my website, but here is a flower photo.

Christina

And here is a photo of the leaves. The photo shows an older leaf and a new brownish leaf.

Christina

And last, but not least the whole plant.

Christina

Those leaves really don't look like the leaves of what I have labled as H. pentaphlebia. Mine's leaves have "dimples" in the middle of them. I will get some pics of mine to compare. I got mine from Kartuz Nursery in Vista, Ca.
Marcy

But that is exactly what the plant I gave you looks like! :)

Cindy

I can't help with the ID, but Marcy and Christina...you both have absolutely gorgeous plants!

Christina, in the pic of the entire plant, is the red on the leaves from being in sunlight or are those the new leaves that come in red/brown then turn green as they mature?

Here is a photo of my H. pentaphlebia... The flowers on mine do not have any red in the corona.

Hmmm. May have to take this to higher powers. The base of the leaves is very different...Christinas leaves are not as 'rounded'... If David Liddle weren't so busy I would send these to him...but he is flat out with no time to breathe!!!!

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Sorry, wrong button.

The new leaves on this plant can be VERY dark red. Edited to say that alot of these characteristics can be environmental. The 'dimples' probably aren't...but it could be a different clone.

Christina...you can see on my flowers that the corollas recurve slightly...do yours? Was your photo taken when the flower first opened? Do you have a profile of one flower, showing the shape of the corona?

What a muddle.

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I found this hoya on another site and it has the name pentaphlebia IPPS 1774 on it, might be of some help. :)

Cindy

The flower photo is taken when the flowers are a few days old, so I guess it's the way they look. The red on the leaves is from the sun.

I also have another hoya named pentaphlebia and it gets huge leaves. It has not flowered, but others think it's not the correct name. The leaves on this plant looks a lot like on your pentaphlebia, but they get really red in the sun = gorgeous plant.

Will try to upload photos on my website in the weeks to come. I'm off 4 weeks before I start my new job. I'm enclosing an old photo of two leaves of this other pentaphlebia. (Size about 6 inches long)

Christina

That looks like the pentaphlebia I got from Kartuz. The new leaves are also darker when they first come in. I will get a pic to include today. Mine has not bloomed though so I don't know about flowers.
Marcy

Your second photo looks more like mine, Christina...perhaps there are 2 clones... I am 99.9% confident mine is H. pentaphlebia as it was bought from David Liddle and the ID confirmed by him....but...

I must have been posting the same time as Christiana. I meant that my pentaphlebia looks like Carol's leaves. Marcy

Ok I'm going to add to the confusion:-). The first picture is of a Merrillii that I received a year or so ago.

Blessings,
Awanda

This is Merrill that I received from David Liddle.

Blessings,
Awanda

This is pentaphlebia I brought from Kartuz. I'm wondering if it's just the different growing conditions we all have. I'm sorry I didn't post side by side pictures, they were too far away from each other in the greenhouse, and it was too much trouble to move them:-).

Blessings,
Awanda

That is funny. The pentaphlebia you got from Kartuz doesn't seem to have the dimples like mine. Are the new leaves that come in darker (like a maroon color)?
Marcy

OK...here is a pic of the pentaphlebia I have from Kartuz. You can see the dimples clearly on the little leaf on the left. There are usually 4 or so up near the top in the middle of the leaf. The bigger the leaves get,,,the less dimpled they become.
Marcy

Here is the first picture of the two leaves, side by side...tops. Note the differences in the shape of t he base of the leaf: H. pentaphlebia is more rounded and the H. merrillii is narrow. The venation, which 5 nerved is different in that the nerves of the H. merrillii all start from the same spot at the base of t he leaf and the H. pentaphlebia the inner two begin further up the costa (center vein). Also...the H. merrillii is a VERY shiney green on both sides (see below) while the H. pentaphlebia is a duller green and the back (bottom) of the leaf is a lighter green. Apexes and petioles are different too. While I could not find any information about their apexes and petioles, the other information matches what I have found.

Interesting note...H. merrillii was named by Schlechter for Merrill who collected H. pentaphlebia.

back side (bottoms).

I am going by descriptions in The Hoyans and Kloppenberg's World of Hoyas.

Marcy..your H. pentaphlebia looks like mine, too. The literature I found also mentions that H. pentaphlebia, as a young leaf, can be extremely shiney (glabrous) as well, and often a reddish brown color.

In The Hoyan it was mentioned that H. merrillii in bright light takes on very exciting venation so I think I will try it!!

Well, I think mine has exciting venation enough, and Im leaving her where she is. Ha. I like the color of it's leaves too much to move it. It's happy where it is. (If it ain't broke....ya know). Besides, I have enough of those "red toned" hoyas out there in the bright light . I am starting to appreciate the pretty greens they get in more subtle light.
However...I do believe they bloom better outside in bright light.
Marcy

Marcy I've moved my H. pentaphlebia to the front of the greenhouse where it will receive more sun. I love the redish color on yours:-).

Blessings,
Awanda

Losing track of the thread...Marcy. Back to your first photo...IMHO it is H. merrillii...

Carol...does that mean you think Christina's 1st pentaphlebia is really a merrillii too?

Awanda.....be careful moving it into sun. Mine is up close to the trunk of the tree and actually only gets a couple of hours of late afternoon sun when it is low in the sky. I think they like sun...just keep watch for burned leaves.
I burned some leaves on a vitalina by moving it too fast into too bright an area. And I KNOW they like some sun too.
Marcy

Thanks Marcy, I should have said I've moved it to where it receives more light, not sun.

Blessings,
Awanda