Thanks to Clare, now I am in this forum as a subscriber. I live in central Thailand and have a number of plumeria cultivars. Some are grown as landscape trees in my garden. Here is my first photo to share...a variegated plumeria.
Kukiat
This message was edited Aug 13, 2005 1:08 PM
More photo of variegated plumeria. Kukiat
All photos were taken at a plumeria contest in Bangkok recently. Kukiat
Hi Kukiat!! WELCOME!! I am new here too. That Clare is such a busy girl isn't she? LOL
WOW WOW WOW. I am going to just love all your photos. Thanks for joining and sharing.
Welcome to the site! Wow your pictures are great!!!
Kim
This is so wonderful! Hi Kukiat!
Man, your pictures are out-of-this-world gorgeous.
We are so blessed that you are here both for your knowledge of horticultural things and for the pictures that you share. Not to mention that you live in one of the most beautiful places in the world and one with the most ideal climate.
Wow! I have never seen such beautiful variegated plumerias in my life. That is simply amazing.
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Daves, my friend!
Wait until Michael sees these photos. He will be wowed too!
LOL, Kell. I just saw that you bought some gingers over at the tropical forum. You're a busy girl too;-)
I do not know what has come over me, Clare. I am sure sick of brugs though!! That is for sure. LOL.
That 2nd picture is what dreams are made from.
Kell, I don't blame you at all. Brugs are high-maintenance and a lot of work. One of the reasons that I was so drawn to plumerias is that they are not very demanding. I still love my brugs though even if I have to scoop up spent blooms on the ground every single day!
Here's another picture of Kukiat's of a variegated plumeria that I just love:
Beautiful pictures!!! I didn't know there was a variegated. Is that available here or just in Thailand?
Thanks for sharing you pictures.
Betty
Betty, they are here occasionally, but they are pretty expensive! Rareplantcollector has them on eBay fairly often: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrareplantcollector There is also a web site which sells them, but I can't find it right now, but bear in mind that these are no where near as nice as the ones that Kukiat has posted.
Betty, here is the link of the place that sells variegated plumerias: http://asiaticanursery.com/advanced_search_result.php?osCsid=90478ec53bc846950ecdf017e15d5b9c&keywords=plumeria
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Welcome Kukiat!!
That is the loveliest Variegated Plumie I have seen yet.
I have 2 going here but nothing like that.
Mine go back and forth from Variegated to regular depending on where they are kept lol!!
I have seen several 'yellow' vars and thought they were ugly as sin.
The whites are much more attractive and yours by far. ;)
Did you buy it or grow it from seed?
Thanks for sharing that its gorgeous!!
Michael
We are just now getting plants imported from Thailand into the USA,several places now carry beautiful plants,I want a few of their variegated heliconias. :-)
Michael, I think Kukiat said that took those photos in Bangkok at a plumeria contest. I think the one that I posted of his was at a nursery:-)
Okey Dokey! ;)
Hi Kukiat,
Welcome to Dave's Garden , and to the plumeria forum. Your var. plumeria is gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the picture.
Patti
Hi everybody. Thanks for the warm welcome.
Michael, Clare's right. The variegated plumeria pictures above were taken at a plumeria contest in Bangkok. I do not have any of them yet. There are quite a number of Thais who collect variegated plants. Variegated plumerias are still new in Thailand. There will be more and more of them available in the market in the near future.
Betty, the ones in the pictures are not really available in Thai market yet. They may be able to get by contacting the collectors directly but they are very expensive.
More photos to share below.
Kukiat
Michael, how about this yellow...
Kukiat
Nice Yellow Kukiat!
I have one that has been giving me golden leaves as they open and after they mature a bit they revert to green. Take a peek! ;)
Hi Kukiat
Welcome from Pakistan, your plants are lovely and healthy also. Hope you will enjoy with us.
Kaleem
Hi Kaleem. I am sure I am going to like it here. Thanks.
Michael, it seems to me that the yellow plumeria in my picture starts with light green color then turns golden with maturity.
Kukiat
Kukiat
You have plants in different shades, may I know about their blooms? These have leaves in different colors . Blooms are similar to the pure green plants or these are also different in colors? Do you have bloom photos of these beautiful plants?
Kaleem
Kukiat,
I noticed that our plants do have opposite habits.
I thought that was amusing.
Here is a celadine that was injected with latex from a Prinicess Victoria.
This was done to infect the Celadine with the color break virus.
What I find so interesting is that it also added the color red to the blossom.
Beautiful pictures, Kukiat! I've never seen such beautiful leaves on a plumeria. I can't wait until they become more available and will add some to my collection some day. They are just too beautiful to pass up. Even if they never flower, they would be worth having.
Kaleem, I bet that most of these haven't bloomed yet, but I could be wrong about that.
Here is my variegated brugmansia 'Snowbank' that I just love. It hasn't flowered for me yet, but I don't mind.
Clare,
Your snowbank is gorgeous!!
I love it!
Thanks, Michael:-)
Kaleem, these variegated plumerias are not mine. I have never seen the plants with flowers.
Michael, I guess both your and my golden plumerias may after all turn green as the plants get bigger?? I heard that some forms of variegated plants turn green if they are fertilized.
Michael, you are right. I also noticed that virus adds red color to petals, leaves and young branches. I have never seen color break on Singapore white or other white cultivars. This might be due to the lack of red pigments. It is interesting to see how they (white cultivars) are like if they are injected with the latex (that has virus). In my opinion, the white cultivars may be infected with virus but with no color break on petals.
Kukiat
Ill put that to the test.
I have many white seedlings, when they bloom true white I shall test a few of them.
I hadnt heard of the vars reverting if fed. Ill stop feeding mine to see if I can enhance the varigation. I would like it to stop going back and forth lol!
Ill privately e-mail you some of the experiment info.
I dont want too many Dr. Plumenstiens.. :P
Michael
Welcome to the Plumeria forum Kukiat. Your photographs are stunning!
Welcome to DG Malestrom. I'm looking forward to seeing a photograph of your celadine blooms when they open.
Wayull,
Here she is in all her openess. ;)
A Lovely red streaked Celadine!
She's a beauty Malestrom. How's her fragrance?
Hi delecie. Homestead is an ideal place for growing plumeria.
Michael, your experiment clearly showed what/how the virus can do to plumeria. Below is a photo of virus infected Bali Whirl from a nursery somewhere in Thailand. It is so beautiful and very scary at the same time.
Kukiat
Thats Pretty!!
Congratulations, Michael, on your experiment. I agree with Kukiat that it is very beautiful and very scary at the same time.
Kukiat and Michael, you are never going to believe this. Remember how I tried to graft the lovely lavender plumeria cutting that Kukiat sent me? And remember how I failed twice? Well, after Kukiat showed me that the smallest piece can be grafted, I dug the two-inch piece out of the compost pile. The third time that I tried to graft it, it looked like it was starting to take, but the little piece was pushed up by the rooting stock as it closed and only the tiniest tip was taking; so I recut and tried again with a piece less than an inch long. It looks like the fourth time worked! The root stock still pushed the little cutting upward, and it is not a pretty graft, but I am hoping that it will fill in as it grows.
Kukiat, it has only been about three weeks, and I have unwrapped it. Should I re-wrap it or let it be as it is? I had some plastic over it for moisture retention, and I put that back for now. It has been in the shade now for the last two grafts now, which is about 6 weeks. It has received a very little water.
The other thing is that, as you can see, the root stock is starting to grow branches below the union. I believe the rootstock is Aztec Gold. It would be kind of neat to have a plumeria with both lavender and Aztec Gold flowers, but I do not know if this is going to be good for the lavender cutting. What do you think?
Also, should I fill in the gaps in the union with wax or pruning seal or anything? I am hoping that, in time, the union will fill in.
Congratulations Clare!
I may have 2 Scott Pratt Grafts taking finnaly!!
I used the 'Paulas Hot Wax method' :)
Keep us posted on the graft! ;)
Thanks, Michael! Congrats to you too! I'm having a hard time believing that it took since I haven't had much success with previous grafts. I can't tell you how glad I am to still have this one. Now I just have to baby it for awhile:-) I need to find out from Kukiat if I should rewrap this again. Right now, I just have plastic over the whole union. It's only been three and a half weeks.
Three wks and it's still green and firm as shown in the photo, all I can say is ....congratulations.
In fact there is no need to unwrap it to see if it takes or not. The fresh green firm scion after only 2 weeks should be long enough to call it a success. But the rope should not be removed at week 3.
The root stock may push the scion up a bit since it was unwrappped. There is no use to fill the union gap with wax at this stage. In my opinion it should do fine and eventually grow together. If you decide to rewrap it, you should do it with care since the joint is not very strong at week 3.
After unwrapping it, the scion may lose some moisture. It should be covered with plastic bag and kept it in the shade for a day or so. Then remove the pastic bag but still keep it in the shade. Until it adjust to the new environment (nornally 2-4 days depending on
the temperature and humidity outside), then you move it out in the sun. Make sure...don't let the soil dry out at all time (both in the shade and in the sun).
In my opinion, the Aztec Gold's buds should be removed. All the energy should go to the new shoot, the lavender.
Kukiat
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This message was edited Aug 17, 2005 9:33 PM
Kukiat,
I have failed at many grafts.
Im not sure if Im wrapping them too tight, if the ribbon im using is too impermeable
Or if my rootstock is no good.
I am using celadine and slaughter pink seedlings all only 8 months old but very strong.
I finaly have 2 that look as though they are taking.
This has been most frustrating. I am good with most plants and plant related things.
Any info you could provide regarding my issues above would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Michael ;)
Michael, your Celadine and Slaugther Pink seedlings can be used as a good rootstock.
Just keep the following in mind ...
Clean
Sharp knift
Smooth cut
Wrap it very Tight (to make a good contact. Too tight may damage both rootstock and scion)
Fast (don't allow the cutting surface --both rootstock and scion-- dry)
Don't let the scion dry (I normally keep the scion fresh by covering it with plastic bag)
Don't let the moisture accumulate inside (inside the wrap should be dry especially the first two weeks)
I normally use plastic nylon and wrap it in the way that allow a lot of air circulation (see attached photo). In this case there is no moisture accumulate inside. But it needs to be covered to keep the scion fresh and prevent water to come into contact with the graft.
In my opinion, the impermeable ribbon is fine as long as there is no accumulation of moisture inside especially the first week. Tie it very tight is good but not to damage the rootstock and scion.
Kukiat
Thank you so much for the grafting advice, Kukiat. I will do as you suggest. I rewrapped the union very carefully with electrical tape this time and put the plastic back over the scion. I think one of my mistakes last time was allowing moisture to get underneath the plastic tie. I like the idea of the electrical tape, and I like the nylon rope too. This last graft was tied with twine first, and then I wrapped with the plastic tie ribbon, and then I put the plastic bag over the whole thing. I believe the plastic bag kept the moisture out of the union, but at the same time, kept the scion from drying out.
