Hi all,
I'm baffled by the diversity of identification numbers attached to species of hoyas, eg. H. macgillivrayi IML 15; H. onychoides IPPS 7401; H. pimenteliana GPS 10015. There seem to be others which have 2 numbers attached to them too, e.g: Hoya nicholsoniae IML 19, GPS 10111. If this latter one is correct does it mean that a GPS number would or could also have an IML number or even an IPPS number too? If this is the case and I want to buy more than one clone of a species - how do I know that I'm not duplicating the same plant if it only has one of these numbers listed?
I know that 'IML' stands for Iris-Marie Liddle David Liddle's wife and I'm assuming 'GPS' means Global Positioning Satellite presumably referring to the co-ordinates where the hoya was found (although I'm only guessing on this one)
Since it seems there's no 'standard' for identifying Hoyas, does anyone know if there is a register, preferably online that lists these numbers and cross references? I've searched but can't find anything so far.
Thanks
Matt ...♫ ...♫...........
A technical question.......
Sorry I don't have the answer.....but.....that is a *really* good question, (I'm glad you asked!) and I'll be watching this thread for information, too!
The ID numbers are important on Hoyas. It will tell you where that plant came from and enable you to TRACK it. I am at fault for being lax about it and am cleaning up my act in that regards.
IML - Iris Marie Liddle
GPS - Paul Shirley (I think)
IPPS - not sure what it stands for, but it is a collector/seller in Holland I think
DMC - David Cummins
CMF - Charles Marden Fitch
DS - David Silverman
IHS - International Hoya Society
AH - Aloha Hoya
...and so on.
Example: I sell a hoya H. macgillivrayi IML 16 means that I got that hoya from David Liddle and it is HIS #16. He sells other H. macgillivrayi but they have different numbers because there is more than one clone he is offering. IML 16 differentiates THAT hoya from another IMLXXX even tho they are both H. macgillivrayi.
The first ID designation is the important one. That means it is the original source and, becomes part of the name (H. pottsii IML 353 is THAT clone of H. pottsii from D. Liddle. I use an alphanumeric system, but mine do not come from ME, I got them from someone else.
When I ask "Is this really Hoya XYZ", D. Liddle will ask, where did it come from?...
"OH, it is GPS XYZ..." and that gives more information... If word comes out on the jungle telegraph that H. pottsii IML 353 has been found to be Hoya ABC, it means that ONLY that hoya, IML 353 has a name change....NOT all the H. pottsii.
Am I talking in circles?
It is important to keep track of where hoyas come from for ID purposes.
OK...so, let's say I sell a H. pottsii IML 353 and I give it my number AHpots3. I am saying that is my catalogue number and I got it from D. Liddle.
This ID system is more necessary for collectors who distribute... Like a Chain of Custody in the Legal Profession. For the average hobbyist there is no need to put your own number on a plant you are gifting...but the ORIGINAL number should be there....and/or where you got it.
HTH...I probably could have said that in 10 words or less!
Carol,
Thanks for the information and you did a good job of explaining it. I wondered what all of the coding meant. There is always something new to learn about hoyas!!
Karen
Matt, Great question!
Carol, Thank you for the answer, I have to admit, I wondered about all those numbers myself.
Deb
Wow...I've certainly learned something new today!
I'm printing off Carol's reply for future reference.
I need something clarified though, Carol...you'd stated that
"H. macgillivrayi IML 16 means that I got that hoya from David Liddle and it is HIS #16."
but above it states that IML is 'Iris Marie Liddle'....are these husband and wife / synonymous? Or??
TIA!
Anything with IML +# means that it ORIGINALLY came from David Liddle. Yes, husband and wife and he just uses her initials. Now he may (and does) sell Hoya or Dischidia with a name like 'H. sp. IML #### (IPPS ####). Translation: "This is an unknown species of Hoya with this IML # that I got from IPPS with that #'.
If you get a hoya from me, Like H. pottsii IML 353, it means that is the ORIGEN of that hoya...one can always go back to DL list and find where that H. pottsii was collected.
Thank you m'am!
Appreciate your clarifying that.
Hi Carol,
Sorry but I'm still a bit confused...if the first ID is the primary source, and the subsequent numbers are vendors' own ID numbers then in the last example you gave, shouldn't the IML# and IPPS # be the other way round? Or am I misreading your translation?
i.e. H. sp. IPPS(####),IML(####) rather than H. sp. IML #### (IPPS ####) since in your translation it seems he, (David Liddle), acquired this plant from IPPS as H. sp. IPPS(####) thus making IPPS the primary source?
from your post:-
"Now he" [D Liddle] "may (and does) sell Hoya or Dischidia with a name like 'H. sp. IML #### (IPPS ####). Translation: "This is an unknown species of Hoya with this IML # that I got from IPPS with that #'".
Sorry to appear like a load of unravelled knitting.........lol
Matt
Good point, Matt. Gotta think about that...in fact, maybe ask David. I think you are right.
When I buy a plant from David, the IML number is HIS id. Where HE got it, is part of the description and he keeps it in a log....so, yes...you ARE right. Cancel the above...think before writing, Carol! So...
Example from his main list:
H. calycina ssp. calycina IML 227 (USDA 354235)
H. subcalva IML 229 (DAV 817
better?
Hi Carol,
Thanks for all your help on this.The main reason for starting this thread was to find out if there was any way I could avoid collecting duplicates of the same plant. I guess so long as sellers do always list the original source ID then there shouldn't be a problem determining this, whatever personal ID they decide to attach to the plant name.
Thanks again
Matt ...♫ ...♫...........
This message was edited Aug 6, 2005 7:20 AM
Matt...that is precisely one of the reasons for always keeping a record of "where it came from"...
Glad I figured it out, too... LOL