I am a new gardener so please bare with my ignorance. Last yearI bought 2 what was called an "angel trumpet" one white and one yellow. I knew absolutely nothing about them and hence planted them among many other flowers. Well they took off, out grew and crowded everyhting else and I had to transplant them. Whatever I did with the transplanting didn't work and they died. This spring there were about 30 or more babies where the big ones were last year. I dug, potted, put some in ground etc. I thougt I had brugs but now I am confused.... my foliage looks similar but my blooms don't hang they point either straight up or strainght out? What do I have?
Also, I bought seeds that are called Horn of Plenty Datura... is this a "name" of a type. The seeds are blooming everywhere but I would like to know what they may look like.
I have prickly seed pods on my angels. I think I read that I can get seeds from here? Is this true and when do I know they are ready? I've harvested amaryllis seeds but never anything else.
Thanks for all the help
C
Brug or Datura????
Prickly seed pods indicate Datura. When the seedpods are ready, they will start to pop open. Some put a piece of netting or something such as a piece of stocking around the seedpods so that when they pop open, the seeds will be contained. I do not know anything about the Horn of Plenty.
Horn of Plenty aka Datura Black Currant Swirl
So pretty Brinda!! I actually have some datura blooms now too. She said proudly!! LOL
WELCOME to Dave's and WELOCME to gardening Southernly Yours. Gardening is so much fun. So tell me, how about your amaryllis seeds. Have they flowered yet? What fun it would be to hybridize amaryllis. I just love them.
Thanks for the welcome and info! I am too excited about the picture of the Horn of Plenty. They are beautiful and I have lots of them. Ought to be able to make a few friends in a few months if they survive! Nothing like flowers to give to make and keep friends! *hee hee!
Kel I harvested red and white with red amaryllis that I haven't "planted". I have planted seeds for lots or coral and the hot pink one. The seedlings have 1 single shoot and just yesterday I pulled one out of the cup of potting soil and they actually have little baby bulbs on the end. Too cute! I don't know anything about hybirdizing but if I can offer a few seeds to help I will be glad. I will be most interested to see how my seeds mature and how many survive. I started them in a terranium type tray and then moved them to styrofoam cups. They are now doing well on the shelf on my covered back porch. It was 102 degrees here today so I am afraid to plant them in the ground yet. Any advice is most welcome!
C
Can someone explain to me in simple language the difference in brugs and daturas. I get lost reading all the information on them. Will mine winter over here? Which is the most desired?
Thanks
Carla
Datura are annuals (as far as I am aware there are no perennials) which is why your original plants died but you had lots of babies in the Spring. They self seed.
Both are commonly called Angel's Trumpets, though Datura is also called Thorn Apple (for obvious reasons when you see the seed pod!!).
Datura:
annual
shorter tree form
seed pods are prickly
seeds are small, generally black or brown and resemble bell pepper seeds
toxic if ingested
be very careful when touching or watering as these contain toxins that can cause serious poisoning on contact
blooms face upward and are generally smaller than Brugmansia
some are scented, some are not
self seed if you do not remove the seed pods
Brugmansia:
Tender Perennial/Tropical
large tree or bush
seed pods are long and large
seeds are very tiny beans that are inside of a withered outer shell
blooms hang down and are very large
heavily scented in the evening
do not self seed
Datura "Angel Trumpet Warning" (from a lady at another garden club):
Angels Trumpets are toxic and we should not "ingest" and part of these plants! However, read what happened to me!!!
My angels trumpets sent me to the emergency room today and I did not eat, drink or smoke any part of my plants!!! I decided I would wash off my plants with a strong hosing of water to rid them of the caterpillars that are devouring them. My plants are about 6 feet tall (I am 5 foot tall) and as I hosed the plants off water dripped off the leaves into my hair and face. I was also perspiring (Surprise in this heat!!!) and washed my left hand (which I had used to turn leaves or break off spent blooms) with the cool water from my hose and wiped my face.About 1/2 hour later when I came inside, I noticed my vision was blurred and my eyes felt dry and burning. I assumed it was from the salt in my perspiration. Then I looked in the mirror and immediately became frightened. My pupils were huge!!! A friend drove me to the emergency room, where, thanks to a doctor who not only owns angels trumpets but has a keen interest in toxic plants, I was diagnosed immediately with atropine poisoning.
Here were (and are) my symptoms: blurred vision, dilated pupils, extreme thirst, headache, dizziness (I'm blond so didn't think that was unusual!!), slight nausea, rapid pulse, and elevated blood pressure (mine was 168 over 86). Symptoms last from 1 to 3 days. Apparently I was not poisoned sufficiently enough to warrant any other treatment
than to be told to wear dark glasses and go home. (Still have blurred vision, burning dry eyes and a headache
So please be very careful around your angel trumpets!!! Please spread the word.
(I would not stop having Daturas due to these problems; however I would definitely recommend use of gloves--possibly even LONG rubber ones--whenever you touch this plant. I find them to have unpleasant smell--leaves, blossoms, all parts--just like Gourd vines and I never touched them (if I could help it) without gloves and ALWAYS washed well with soap and hot/warm water after contact. Perhaps this is why I never had that lady's symptoms?? Would wash with soap and water after getting sap of Brug or anything else on you either but especially from plants you know to be toxic such as Brugmansia, Datura, Castor Bean.)
Hope this helps!!
Bonnie : )
Is t'here anywhere on DG that I can look for brugs. I am so disappointed that what I have is datura and not the huge brugs I wanted them to be and that they die everyyear. I don't have anything to trade but I would be willing to pay. I'm patient so little cuttings are ok too. I'd love to hedge my looooooong privacy fence with a mixture of color......
Are there any purple brugs? Red?
If not on DG any suggestions where?
Tx
C
GM SouthernlyYours and welcome to DG and the Brug forum.
Datura and Brugmansia are two totally different plants, but both are beautiful in their own way. Datura is an annual, but they can be wintered over indoors. I've had one plant for 5 or 6 years now. It is extremely difficult to take cuttings from datura, they produce many seeds that can be planted the next spring. Watch for seed pods to form after the blooms, when they darken and get dry they will burst open and you can harvest the seeds. (Make sure to dry them before storing them)
Brugmansia is very easy to start cuttings from and if you'll be patient there will be many people offering cuttings in the fall. Most people don't want to cut on them this time of year as they are blooming their little hearts out.
Again, welcome to DG.....this is a friendly community with so many knowledgable gardeners. Just ask away if you have questions.....you will soon get your answer.
And to answer your question about purple brugs....NOPE, there are none. There are red brugs but are difficult to grow depending on your part of the country and your climate. Just start reading threads on the Brugmansia Forum, you will be surprised how much you will learn. Enjoy!!!
I had no idea you could hold a datura over 5 or 6 years Brinda. Does it go dormant? Too bad that fancy variegated one from a couple of years ago did not make it!!
Southernly yours, glad to hear you are growing the amaryllis seeds. I will love to follow their progress with you! Good luck on some neat colors to come out of them.
Here is the brug site on here. Lots of pictures.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/finder/index.php?sname=Brugmansias&submit=submit
Also you can just stroll down this forum for days and see so many different ones.
Don't be too afraid of brugs. I have handled them for years now with no ill effects other than I seem to be getting daffier by the year. In fact the other day I read a thread on here about being careful with them and walked out and snapped off 2 huge yellowing leaves over my head and felt drops go into my eye. I thought oh great, but nothing happened. Be careful with them, but don't be afraid. I touch them all the time with no gloves. Mostly to snap off the yellowing leaves. I walk thru my rows of them going snap snap snap. I do wash my hands well afterward.
Hi Kell....no the dat does not go dormant. I keep it inside during the winter and it is still green and produces a few blooms. This plant is so old I think I won't try to overwinter it again this year. It really isn't very pretty at all. The blooms are beautiful, but the legginess makes it kinda ugly.
Interestingly enough - I think I had a Datura Wrightii overwinter in Albany NY - The plants were huge back in 2003 and I thought I had pulled out most of them that Fall - I moved to Ireland in 2004 and when I went back to the house this year - there was a HUGE flowering plant end of June - and there is no way it could have been a first year seedling. I think in this case, the plant died back and regrew from it's deep root system.
Possible?
I know nothing about daturas but you think it may have survived that bitter cold in Albany? I vote a fast growing seed. LOL
Darn - then I shouldn't have pulled out the plant if it has seeds that good - but it was blocking my short daylily bed... Oh well, maybe when I return back to Albany, I can start again from seed. Now what will be interesting is to go back next Spring and see if there are any datura babies - if so, the seeds would have survived two winters since this one didn't get the chance to seed.
Plants never cease to intrigue me...
Off to clean off the back patio and admire my brugs - you'll be pleased to know - even though my patio is maybe 10X 20 feet, I have 14 brug adolescents - about 1-2 feet tall from March. Counting the days until next Spring when I finally get flowers.
I planted the seeds and now have nice size seedlings. I planted lots of seeds and have lots of sprouts. I want to plant in a big pot for the patio/porch. Should I plant more than one 'sprout" in each pot to get a healthy plant? Or does each sprout equal a potential plant?
I talked to someone in Florida ZONE 9 and not far from me that she has daturas that live year to year. I am hoping that I can protect these through the winter and be able to enjoy the purple blooms! What are my chances?????