no Doubt it's SB

I had heard Mango Crush was carring it so have been watching mine ever since. After 2 weeks of Thunders Storms and a Tropical Storm it has reared its ugly head. Look at the leaf nodes especially as well as the stalk. Well leaf nodes are hard to see in the resized pics. If you want a full size pic to see the details you can go to Allegras if you are a member or ABADS as a guest or Daves e-mail me your personal e-mail and I will send it to you. Will also post it in my web shots album on Brug Diseases later this evening
http://community.webshots.com/user/1birdylady

here's leaf node

Ouch Donna. Good thing you were keeping a close eye!

Donna,

I am so sorry very, but thank you for educating the rest of us.

Judy

I'm so sorry to hear that, Donna. Mango Crush is such a beauty. Had not heard it was a carrier, though. Is Kell's okay that she posted such a beautiful picture of recently?

Diane Krny

Oh no, I'm so sorry to see that your Mango Crush has SB!

I am sad too. I never even got to see it bloom. It just Y'd a few weeks ago, was over 6' tall and very healthy looking. Don't know about Kells but everyone needs to watch out for theirs if they have one. Monika says they are susceptable. I am wondering if rain and winds bring it in and only susceptable plants come down with it. I have about 40 and only MC and possibly one 6' seedling may be coming down it. I may be just looking to hard lol

Donna, what about Mango Crush crosses, not cuttings, or plants, but the seeds?? Is Mango Crush a carrier, or did she 'catch' it or is it genetic, or other?? I've never seen SB and the photos identified as SB are not all alike, of course, made at different stages, etc, and I guess, if I ever see something questionable, I'll take it down to the county agent and have it tested. When I was cleaning up and potting up some cuttings, I cut several off, leaving 'raw', open wounds and I wondered about using latex paint or wound dressing on these cuts, thinking that if might prevent disease and the dreaded SB. I surely hate this for you Donna and I hope your other brugs escape and thanks so much for letting us know and for the photos...

Im sorry Donna! Im sure its so hard to toss them when they are so close to blooming.

So sorry Donna ....

This was from a healthy plant I got last fall in a brand new yard to having brugs. So no SB there. It has grown all winter in the GH with no problems, been in the ground 3 or 4 months in a brand new bed with brand new dirt. It has grown very quickly and appears very healthy until yesterday. I had SB last summer on GQ and Tropical Sunset that I got from the same person but those were all the way on the other side of my yard from where MC was planted. Their soil and mulch as well as the plants were disposed of. MC is in the trash now. He thought he could just spray immunox on it and it would be alright. I explained that I could lose all my brugs if he didn't get rid of it and he took it right out. He like the brugs lol. MC is just a susceptible cultivar(lot of sauveolens in the background/ also yellow/orange flower). I swear I think the heavy rains/winds bring this stuff in

Oh gee Donna, how sad. I never heard Mango Crush is a carrier. But if you had SB in your yard last year, it could catch it from those easily from what Monika has said, no direct contact even needed if it is a suav hybrid.

I will cry if mine has it. I have never had it yet. My Mango Crush is just finishing a incredible flush and I am in love with its bright color. The ribs are yellow and the rest is a mango peach color. Very different. Tomorrow I will really look at it. I have this for at least 2 years so if it had SB it sure is slow in showing it.

Donna,Ouch,the rains may have carried it around the saturated yard,amazing how quick it comes on.

Donna, I am sorry about your MC. I do agree that SB is in the soil. Had grown Dr.Seuss in same spot for 4 years along with other brugs in a bed. This year when it came up within weeks it showed signs of SB. I think all the wet spring we had was a contribuitor. At the critical growing point in early spring we had cold and wet on and off for weeks. Luckly none of the other brugs have been affected.

keeping my fingers crossed none of my others come down with it.

Is versicolor peach susceptible to SB? Mine have had wind and rain until now and each has a long brown strip down their trunks but it is not progressing like in the picture to be blackened or actually circular in shape and damaging yet to the trunk. They are growing and not loosing any leaves. All of the pictures of SB that I have looked at are not similar to what mine look like.

There are so many weird things brugs get WyGardenr, most things are not SB or even bad. Can you post a picture?

I will hope for you too, Donna. What a shame. You have had enough this year, you deserve some stress free gardening!!

Sherry,

I was told that growing from seeds is the safest. From what I heard, the seeds do not carry the virus, and your new seedling would get it from another source.

Such a shame. Mango Crush is a beautiful brug.

Karrie the trouble with seeds is they do not produce the same flower. you never know what you will get. The only way to get a specific variety is from a cutting.

Thanks, Karrie and Barb!! I thought I had a Mango Crush cross (seeds) planted but it is Coral Glow...

Donna,

I am so sorry to hear about your Mango Crush. I lost mine to SB also. I have not seen any signs of it on any of my seedlings were MG was the parent.

Now this is just my opinion, but I think that no matter who you are and what precautions you may take, if you live in the eastern half of the US, you will end up getting SB at some time.

The reason I say this is, that with tomatoes, (in the same family as brugs), many diseases spread from south to north every year infecting plants as conditions favor their development (spread by wind and the movement of insects). I think that SB will / is responding the same way. It is something we are going to have to learn to live with, there is no turning back the clock now. We just have to breed new cultivars that have resistance to it and hopefully we will find some sauev. cultivars that are immune to it.


Kell, your plant might be the saving grace for Mango Crush. I hope that you never have SB on your plant. I would love to have her again, but I am afraid it might become infected again. I hate seeing brugs with SB.



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David we are of a like mind. I think the high humidity has a big affect on it too.

for brug newbies, pls what is sb

it is a fungal/viral infection for which their is no treatment. That's why I posted to pics for all to see. It is very important to get rid of the infected plant immediately, remove what dirt and mulch that you can if planted in the ground, if in pot throw everything away or burn it.

Are all brugs susceptible to SB or is generally just brugs with suaveolens genes?

mostly suaveolens genes with the yellow/orange flowers but given the right conditions I think all could be susceptable

:( I'll keep a close eye on my CG's and Jamaican Yellow

I went out first thing this morning and looked at my Mango Crush very carefully. She is perfect. I have had her at least 2 years so I really think she is not infected. She went thru winter here outside and it was a wet, wet winter. I also checked with a friend I recently sent a piece to, and she tells me it has rooted and looks just great.

So if she is not infected, then Mango Crush is not a carrier. However, someone could have gotten theirs infected and then shared not realizing it and that is why several people got it. I will continue to watch her carefully. I just love her name!!

I think this one is so pretty and so different. I am really hoping it does well.

Again, it is so important to scrub your hands between brugs, and to boil your cutters between them also. I have taken to snapping brug pieces off with plastic disposable gloves on, so I do not have to sterilize my clippers so much. I also worry about people who use a communal container to root more than one kind of brug. A perfect way to contaminate non suavs.

Kell it was beautiful and healthy until just a few days ago. It was over 6' tall. I always use clean containers and new dirt. I never use recycled dirt for brugs, just out in the wildlife garden. I mean just ask Kay and Trish. They were here a month ago or Larry who was here less than 2 weeks ago. It is in a brand newly made bed with all new good potting soil and fresh mulch. That's why I say I can't understand it. It was July last Summer when GQ came down with it after a Thunder Storm. We have had several TS in the last couple of weeks as well as a Tropical Storm

Gosh Donna, a 6 ft tall one in full bloom would be a sight! You are lucky you use such good technique, it probably won't spread then. That is what I am hoping if I get it here, with good technique it will stay somewhat contained. Do you remember anyone complaining of getting it in the fall or winter?

Can it be spread by aphids and bugs?
If a bird lands on contaminated soil and then lands on your brug and leaves a small wound with its beak or nails would that spread it?

can water from a rainstorm spread it?

In warm climate could a bug over winter and spread it in the spring
or if it overwinters in contaminated soil and then climbs on a plant will it contaminate it?

I have mango crush and its does not have SB

If its a Carrier then someone contaminated it and is sending contaminated cuttings out(I don't think anyone is doing that)
So I don't think its a carrier

Its susseptible.......yes
prone to getting it
probably ....just like any other yellow multihybrid

CC that is a good thought. The baby wrens have been getting on them, I have no others with it so far so it is possible they are bringing it in from else where. Yes CC not a carrier, I said that wrong. It is susceptible. It was a very healthy plant when I got it and mine was healthy and grew to 6' before this happened. the person has a brand new home to brugs and no SB. That's why I am so baffled by this

I haven't noticed any birds on my brugs, but you know I worry because one of my cats has picked a few fat brug trunks to use as her scratching post. If she goes from one to another, it could be trouble. Maybe I will put little mittens on her.

lol Kell

I think someone got confused and used "carrier" when they meant "susceptible", there's a big difference.
All brugs can get S/B but some are more susceptible to it. If you infect a non suaveolens with S/B, I'm pretty sure it will come down with symptoms. I lost Pink Pearl, definitely not suaveolens, but it was close to a brug I got from someone that had S/B.
My Mango Crush froze at Christmas and didn't come back.

Just a thought here. How many reports of SB have there been west of the Rocky Mts? I think that this is a disease that will be more prevelant east of the Rockys.

Also, my Mango Crush was healthy all last summer, she grew to more than 7 feet tall with many flushes and set many pods. The symptoms did not show up on her until she was coming out of winter dormancy. And like I have already said none of her seedlings show any signs of SB. Thank God none of my other brugs show any sign of it so far. Since I grow all of my brugs in pots it is real easy to isolate any that look questionable.

And I think Donna might be onto something about weather playing a role. Like I have previously stated, diseases become more prevelant as conditions allow. So far we have been very dry the past few weeks. I have been using Green Guard (a product just like Messenger) and Serenade to try to build my brugs immune system.

It would be nice if we could get an University to do some controlled studies on SB to see what cultivars might be resistant to SB.

Just some thoughts.

David, I have very wet weather here all winter, that is our rainy season. So far I have lucked out and no SB. However, I expect it is just a matter of time.

Vossner, so sorry SB stands for Stengelbrand. It is a term Monika introduced to us. I am not sure if it a German word or if there is such a word in English.

Here is a thread with lot sof pics so you can recognize it fast and take appropriate action
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/419685/

And here is a thread we all worked on to give facts about it.
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/420154/

I strongly encourage everyone that grows brugs to read both threads and study the pics.

Kell I think the difference between us is the high humidity that you in the west don't have and cool nights we don't have. You can go out at 4 a.m. and it is so hot it slaps you in the face when you go out the door. Have you ever spent a week in August with your Sister in N.O.????

So true Donna. Here there is no humidity esp at night. Stays in the 50's at night, I sleep under a down comforter all year round. I sure hope you are right, LOL. I was just outside looking over my Mango Crush for the 10 th time and turned and looked at my First Day right across from her. She would die too in a flash if I get SB.