and if so, do I destroy it. I got 2 Everlastings from ebay about April and they both look like the pic. If I do destroy, is it pot and all? My other brugs looks great and nothing like these. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Hope you can see in the pic what I am talking about. Thanks.
Cindy
Cindy,
Can you take a better picture so it will be here waiting when Monika signs on next? Is the brown on the leaf also?
Judy
It sure looks like it to me, though I have never seen it in person. Do you have it on more than 1 node? I see you either have leaf mottling or spidermite damage. Having it on 2 of the same plants from the same grower looks bad, doubt it could be just from a wound then. And I see the black and the dry scab.
All SB infected plants should be destroyed, pot, soil and all. I would not try to save the pot. Bleach supposedly does not kill this. I would bag them well and dispose of them.
This is why it is important not to use your clippers on more than 1 brug. I boil all my clippers now between use. I also now snap off brug cuttings. I just sent out 5 boxes and people may wonder why the jagged ends, it is because I can no way boil my clippers so many times between brugs when I am doing boxes for people. I can have up to 10 different kinds in each box. It would take me all day to cut them.
So sorry! Lots of people have had this now and gone on to grow great brugs.
Gosh Kell, did I get a box too? lol
I think another clearer shot of it would be best to see it. But from the looks of it...it does look like SB, it's got the classic mottling of the leafs, but Monika will come along and verify it for you.
Hugs
Julie
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Here are a couple of better pics, I hope. I did not see any spider mites but I do not know what leaf mottling is. Are you talking about the yellow spots, or the leaves falling off?
here is another pic of the whole plant
and this is of the second smaller plant. These both came from the same place and both are called Everlasting. Probably the same plant?
and this last one of the SB? Thanks all for your input. I have separated these from all plants and will destroy...I hate to do it because it is the only brug that had a bloom....oh well, what must be, must be done.
Cindy
forgot pic.
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here is the last one of the SB from the bigger plant? Can't get a clear pic of the SB on the smaller plant, but rest assured it is in the same condition. Trash?
Cindy
Alcohol won't sterilize the clippers? i spray or dip my clippers between plants...
On your first pic of your second batch, I can see it on a second node. Some of the later pics looks like spider mite damage on your leaves. Have you looked on the backs of your leaves?
Even if not SB, though I think it is, I would toss immediately. Brugs are too plentiful to mess around with ones that obviously have a problem. There are other fungal diseases that cause node problems too, none are good!
I know it is hard to part with brugs for new brug lovers, but believe me, a year from now you will have so many you will not know where to put them. These things have a way of multiplying. I used to have a beautiful yard, now it looks like a brug nursery!
My rule here is if it looks funny, out it goes. There are plenty to take its place.
I have read Carol, from a knowledgeable place, that only boiling for 5 minutes works. I have no personal knowledge myself.
Hi everyone....still a newbie here and still so in love with my baby brugs!!! I have 2 with BUDS-----yippeeeeee !!! ( Equador Pink and Insignis Gold)
I am concerned about spreading germs from one plant to another, especially after reading this. Would using the hand sanitizer liquid stuff to wash pruning shears work? I know it isn't very cost effective, but right now I am a small grower and am very concerned.
(I don't have anything to offer anyone right now, but would love to share with ya'll when the time comes. If anyone has babies to share right now, they would be loved and appreciated.)
Happy Gardening !!
Margo (and Jack)
I sure hope its not Cindy. I had alot of odd winter growth on mine, but they were seedlings, new soil, pots, and all. Im just going to have to watch.
I got tired of replacing my cutting tools from boiling them, and getting rusty. I tried the Alcohol for 10 minutes, but that got old and took alot of time. Now I food save all my small cutting tools, and then boil them for 10 minutes. Sure has saved me alot of money.
Food save? Like bag them in plastic? LOL. How smart are you Shelly! LOL. I just use that WD 40 on mine after I boil them.
Bag them and use my foodsaver vacuume thing on them. I tried the WD-40 but maybe I did it too late.
is it possible that its a split because of rapid growth? i've never seen sb in person, but have had some after heavy rains split and callous over like that.
maybe i have had sb and just thought it was a wound?
I have those too, frosts really do a job on brugs. I am amazed they seem to hardly notice the damage in the spring.
It is the blackened ring around the scabbed area that looks so bad to me.
I think it was Liz who once said to me, black is the bad stuff. So anything with black, toss toss toss.
edited to say, I may have to buy myself one of those, Shelly. How clever. I bet it really keeps them looking nice.
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Cindy,
I agree, it looks bad, but please wait on Monika, she's the expert.
Judy
Cindy, it looks much like SB. I wouldnt take any chances with it.
Maybe the color is off on my Mac, but I don't see the 'black' on yours Cindy. I had one this year that I didn't like in the 2004 growing season and when it came up looking no better this spring, I tossed it and dug out the hole and replaced the soil and planted a beautiful, new, healthy hibiscus. Well, I could not believe it but the hibiscus wasn't there too long and started a downhill trend and all the buds fell off and it just didn't right and happy. So, I dug it up, removed all the soil, and planted it in another bed and it's blooming, healthy appearing and happy. I have nice healthy brugs growing on both sides and in front of that space, but I'm thinking nothing will grow there. I put a nice piece of flagstone over the hole and a pot of caladiums, assuming they come up!!
Judy, I agree I am no expert on SB, thank God!! But anytime you see the black ring around dry rot on nodes, you better toss that plant, pot and all. Even if it isn't SB, why risk your entire brug collection?
Sherry, sounds like you found a great solution. I sure wish I could grow caladiums here.
Cmalon, you might want to mention this to the seller of these, just in case they do not know what SB is or what to look for. We are lucky that Monika spent so much time last year teaching us how to recognize it, but if you do not belong to Dave's you might not have a clue.
Im sorry Cindy.
Thanks Monika, Cindy has been going through so much I just didn't want to see her have to destroy the Brugs unless it was absolutely necessary. This is a link to her Prayer Thread http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/509124/.
Cindy, I'm so sorry you aren't going to get to see the bloom from this brug.If I could figure out how to get it to you, I would send you mine.
Big Hugs and prayers for a wonderful lady.
Judy
Thank you guys. Will be destroying them, pot and all. I still have 5 brugs -Kyles Giant White, one varigated called Sunset, U Conn Treasure, Giant White Elegance, and Insignias Orange. I also was a "bad girl" and bought Island Girl and Whiskers -to be delivered this week. So I still have plenty but no blooms. All of them look very healthy with beautiful green leaves. I will keep trying.
Obituary to follow..........LOL! :-(
Cindy
p.s. I did email the seller of the Everlasting to let her know and directed her here for more information. Thanks again for the information.
Just an update. I have been in contact with the seller of Everlasting, and she has an inspector scheduled to check her plants. She thanked me for letting her know, and she will contact the other buyers that she sold Everlasting to. Thank you guys for all the help.
Cindy
Sounds like a responsible seller.. I am sorry about your plant Cindy. I am a newbie too and would hate to have to pitch any of mine..But better to pitch one then lose them all.
I was reading in Monika's book that SB is or is related to Fusarium. That is a huge problem with tomatoes but is somewhat regional. (by that I mean some areas have trouble with it and other's don't) I wonder if it transfers
OK, I'm dumb (and a newbee to Brugs) - what is SB?
Just wanted to let everyone know that the seller of Everlasting emailed me and thanked me for letting her know. She told me this.
JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THATS IT'S NOT sb MY STATE INSEPTOR CAME UP TODAY, I WAS A NEVEROUS WRECK, BUT IT IS A VIRUS AND SHOULD BE DESTORYED IT'S A TOMATO WILT VIRUS, SOME CAUSES ARE EXTREME DAMP NESS IN GH, AND SOMETHING CALL THRIPES, NOT NEAR AS BAD AS SB HE SAID EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKED OK AND WILL BE BACK IN 2 WEEKS AND CHECK AGAIN, BUT GLAD YOU EMAILED ME AND I ONLY SOLD 4 AND HAVED EMAILD EACH ONE TO LET THEM KNOW, I JUST GOT MY EVERLASTING LAST YEAR, BUT RATHER LOOSE ONE PLANT THAN ALL ,
This world is full of responsible, great people. Everlasting has been tossed -now shall we bow our head in silence for a few moments....OK that's enough...now on the the healthy ones -may they bloom!!!!
LOL Cindy. I am glad you emailed the seller. Most people just have no clue. Any time you see crud like that, get rid of it fast, pot and all! There are lots of bad things as I understand it that cause bad crud. Best to take no chances.
Now if it was one of Delisa's double pinks, I may hestitate. LOL. I have been drooling over hers on the plantfiles today. Exceptional. Pepto pink at its finest. LOL
It is not the tomato spooted wilt virus even though it looks similar to it.
A virus test has to be done.
The Tomato Spotted Wilt Virus affects ALL plants in a collection if vectors are present and not only the yellow Multihybrids. ToSpoV kills the plants within a few weeks while SB does not!
Renomated labs in Germany and in the Netherlands have told me, that this type of Fusarium has never been found on Brugmansias before.
It is not a common 'everywhere' found Fusarium type but a special one and it is carried in a brug collection with infected plant material.
