It opened! Now...this doesn't look anything like the H. coriacea I have http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/AHcomp/AHcori1.php and there are some remarkable differences...to me.
Here start 5 pictures...the leaves are VERY similar:
Mystery unfolded - no answer yet
Second photo: the flower (color differences = light taking photo)
Oooops...let's start over...
And the third...the leaf
OK...this is the profile. Now, when I peeled the corollas off of a flower, those corona lobes stood straight UP...no curve at the apex as in the H. coriacea in the link....
Finally, the calyx...
SO...please let me know what you think...comparing the two. Anyone have a clue as to what it could be?
Aloha
I've been looking at photos of flowers this morning and to me it looks like H. fraterna without the reflexed corollas. Interesting...or maybe it's an H. pottsii clone. (Couldn't resist).
Well - I sent the photos to David Liddle. In his opinion (and from the type description he sent me) it is H. coriacea...the same one that Ted Green sells as H. fraterna. It seems that H. coriacea is wide spread and variable.
"Carol
I have seen some Philippine H. coriacea that differ from the type in smaller calyx lobes and longer corona indumentum. As I said earlier H. coriacea is a widespread variable species and to me your plant is a typical H. coriacea. The sepals in the Type illustration I have already sent you are long, short ones are unusual.The trouble I have with H. fraterna is that H. coriacea is so variable and in a continuum, that there is no definite division between the two. The corona lobes stand straight up in Ted's H. fraterna yours do not in your picture"
He was speaking of the picture of my H. coriacea in the Photo Compendium. Looking at the photos I sent him (where the corona lobes stand straight up) he states the same thing, H. coriacea. The important piece of information is "H. coriacea is so variable and in a continuum, that there is no definite division between the two" (H. fraterna and H. coriacea).
So...there we have it! It was a fun mystery to solve. I think I shall call it H. coriacea Bl. (aka H. fraterna) and note it is a different clone from the other one I have.
Carol
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CN, very pretty flowa, and it was well worth the wait. I would love to have one like that:-).
Blessings,
Awanda
AH - more data to the still possible mystery:
H. fraterna (meaning "brother") was so named for it's likeness to H. coriacea. Apparently Ted Greens (which is mine, pictured) is the only one that could be called H. fraterna(according to D. Liddle) . David believes it is perhaps a subspecies of H. coriacea. HMMMmmmm. I am still trying to figure out what it should be called.
Stay tuned...film at 11:00. LOL
Hoyas are so neat. Little yellow fuzzy stars! Regardless of what the name is....it's totally COOL!!!
Karen :~D
OK...to walk the line of moderation and caution....I am tagging it H. sp. aff. H. fraterna (per David Liddle's suggestion). This means that it is 1) a species hoya, and, 2) it is VERY close/similar to H. fraterna.