What a wonderful surprise I received this morning when I went to the greenhouse. Hoya Metallica has started to bloom. I always get mixed up with the correct name for this one, is it cv Joy or cv Noelle?
Blessings,
Awanda
Metallica starting to bloom:-)
Very Pretty Awanda! U will have to show it some more when it is in full bloom!
Jaimee
Awanda...it is H. cv. Noelle. And they have great blooms!! H. cv. Joy has the dark margins.
Carol
Awanda...have the flowers opened more?
Carol...I am confused again. When this thread started, I went on a search of this forum and ....well, here is a copy of a post of yours from last July:
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
Zone 11
Jul 22, 2004
10:16 AM
When I began collecting hoyas, I became aware that I was receiving many trades and some purchases that looked identical but with different names... Hmmmm, I thought..."this needs a Hoya Hound". So, I began looking, reading questioning...became friends with Chris Burton...bought The Hoyans...you know, all that stuff. I made some enemies en route because I questioned them...but that was just a way to get some facts. During this time I had contact with Michael Miyashiro who, along with Ed Gilding, has been one of the most successful hybridizers of hoya ...
This hoya is a cross between H. sp. Laos X H. vitellina. It has incredible leaves!...Huge, with a metallic sheen, deep red margins...and it blooms freely (not constantly, but a couple of times per year) for me.
There IS another cross of H. vitellinoides X H. vitellina but it does not have the reddish margins...similar leaves and flowers.
'Metallica' is not a valid nor a tenable name. The code for cultivars states that a cultivar name cannot be Latin nor "latinized"(as the species name must be)...but once something gets a name, it seems to stick. So, in my search, I found H. 'Metallica' on Botanova's website...but....it has pink flowers and mine does not (please look up on my website to see the photos)... Hmmmm, the Hoya Hound was stumped. Back to MM.
Seems he started hybridizing and got discouraged with the time it takes to grow them out to select the very best from them...and was told it was futile. So he threw most of the seedlings away of his crosses and included some as bonus plants to orders he was filling. That is why there are so many crosses, say between H. incrassata X H. finlaysonii,(I have 3) that look kind of alike but are different...Same with this H. 'Metallica'.
My personal solution is to chose ONE cross, the most attractive (to me) and cultivate that one...just like I do with H. carnosa and H. pubicalyx...
This hoya hound is publishing this H. sp. Laos X H. vitellina hybrid as H. cv. Joy. That will be its official name. I was going to give it a metallic kind of name...but deferred to Botanova and his pink seedling...H. cv. Joy will be the name when it is published in Asklepios this fall.
Gosh...I think I could have answered that in 25 words or less, but wanted to give a broader picture....
(END of POST)
Now I am wondering if you changed your mind and named it cv Noelle later, or if this "cv Joy" is a different one completely that we are talking about now ??
Marcy
H. sp. Laos X H. vitellina = H cv. Joy. Mine is about to bloom but I am not seeing the red margins.My leaves are a little washed out from the sun.
H. vitellinoides X H. vitellina = H. cv. Noelle also in my collectiion but not blooming And without red margins.
I checked the tags and don't think I have crossed them
I will post a photo of H cv. Joy soon. The buds are just starting to flatten out so it will be a week or so.
Right Carol?
Susan
H. cv. Joy is H. sp. Laos x H. vitellina.
H. cv. Noelle is H. vitellinoides x H. vitellina
My H. cv. Joy gets dark margins...sometimes, not always. usually in lower light.
My H. cv. Noelle is also blooming now...'Joy' is not.
This was so long ago, I don't remember much anymore...except I got them always confused. H. cv. Joy was what was called Metallica and H. cv. Noelle is what was called 'VitVit'. I do get them confused...heck, I am confused most of the time. LOL
I am wrong Awanda, in my post...sorry. Thanks Marcy for clearing that up.
Carol
Right on Susan.
Boy, now I am totally confused! Which cv is this? It definately has a pink tint.
This picture is of a leaf from the hoya labeled as "cv Noelle or Metallica"
Blessings,
Awanda
This leaf is from a hoya labeled "cv Joy". I'm confused:-)
Blessings,
Awanda
I received this plant as Vitellina & vitellinoides - Hybrid
This message was edited May 26, 2005 10:21 AM
So sorry ladies...as I said in another post...I mixed the two up. See above for explanation of which is which cross. As for what you have Mel, the leaf tells me that it is H. cv. Joy (which WAS "metallica")...it is the leaf that will take on red margins. The flowers are very similar.
H. cv. Joy = H. "Metallica"
H. cv. Noelle = "VitVit"...
I should have looked it up before I moved my fingers....but Awanda's leaves didn't show the red margins.
Carol
BOY - did I ever blow it!!! BIG time. I have to admit I did not look at the flowers closely...I only saw that they weren't open. However, the corona is SO different from either cultivar that I enthusiastically agree with the msn forum that that flower is neither cv. Joy nor cv. Noelle. Awanda...are you sure you got the flower from the plant you received as H. "metallica"...
NOW i AM CONFUSED!
WHEW? Who is on first?
Awandas bloom picture at the top looks very different than mine.
I never noticed the dark margins until reading this post and SHASAM Gomer, they are indeed a dark red. My plant must have 20 umbles about to open! Will share a picture once it flowers.
Ok, here is the leaf that had the flowa on it, and yes the flowa was on the plant recieved as Metallica.
Blessings,
Awanda
This picture shows how different the leaves are on the same plant....Metallica.
Blessings,
Awanda
SO, your plant is cv. Noelle? Right Awanda? (Beautiful and healthy plant, by the way!)
Well. All I know is that H "Metallica" = cv. Joy. Am I repeating myself? Sorry.
Where did you get your "Metallica" Mel. From Mike Bernardo...same place I got mine....maybe he had two? That flower that Awanda put up is definitely not either H. "metallica" dba H. cv. Joy NOR is it H. "vitvit" dba/aka/syn H. cv. Noelle. Don't know what else to say?
Carol, yes I did get my plant from Mike Bernardo about the same time you got yours. I have also shared it with allot of people. I am going to try to stick with species Hoyas from now on. The CV's are way too confusing and I stay confused enough! Thanks for the information tho!!
I agree...Species are safer...but some of the hybrids are so dropdead gorgeous!!!
Carol
If my flowa isn't from cv Joy or cv Noelle, which hoya is it from (Awanda looking bewildered)
Blessings,
Bewildered Awanda
Is it the first time bloom?
The corona on either one has pink in it....yours looked totally white with campanulate or unopened corollas.
Dunno what to say...? Wait til the next blooming...
Confused, too.
Carol
Don't you hate when that happens, Awanda? I have a H. ciliata and a CV from MM. growing along side each other. Both bloomed at the same time and I am 100% sure the blooms are identical. I have the original labels tied to the pot and know the labels were not mixed up. I have put 3 years into those two plants only to find out one was sent to me mislabeled and blooms are identical. With limited space, I am running out of patience for mislabeled plants!! It is really frustrating to put that much time and effort to find out a mistake was made.
Mel
Mel...I will bet you that the cv from MM was from a H. ciliata cross...maybe with H. affinis...and the seedling threwback and looked like one of the parents. MM kept a lot of those and gave them away with plants he sold.
It IS a bummer to find mistakes like that... The good news is that most of the time it is unintentional...
Too many hoyas, not enough names.
Carol
WHEW, what a mess! I'm sooooooo glad I didn't seek out every cultivar
out there!
After seeing how all my eriostemma cvs all look alike I lost interest in most of the other cvs! I do love Emilio from Belgiums crosses of carnosa and serpens tho!
Awanda, You DO have a lovely plant & bloom whatever it turns out to be!
Have you considered E-mailing David Liddle a picture and getting his input?
One more cv question! It remeber reading about a cultivar that was refered to as H. cv MM. Was that paticular cultivar published? Seems I read about it in the Hoyan, but, will have to pull out the index and do some searching. Geeze, what a can of worms to open.
Yes, there is a H. cv. MM (one of H. cv. Ruthie's parents) and No, it hasn't been published.
There is a lot of work to be done on the yellow flowered hoyas, I was told last year by Chris Burton...lots of questions. They seem to be in a bit muddle. H. ischnopus, H. aff. ischnopus, H. dischorensis etc.... Awanda, have you asked CB for ideas? Any more blooms coming?
Carol
Well so much for the "wait for flowas" theory:-).
Blessings,
Awanda
Ready for a bit more confusion????
Awanda, my H. cv. Noelle is blooming and it ..........ta DAH....looks just like yours in your top post. Same shapes to the corollas, same very faded pink at the outer edges of the corona. Now, the corolla should reflex (turn back) and it will look like Mel's picture. I will check this afternoon. Since the publication, I have kept my cv. Noelle and cv. Joy separated and with a gazillion tags to tell them apart, because I always confused them before the publication and could only tell by the dark margins on the leaves of H. cv. Joy.
Which hints to me that perhaps Michael got the two confused when he sent them...
Since it is published that H. 'Metallica' is now H. cv. Joy (sp.Laos X H. vitellinoides) we gotta stick with that. It is NOT H. 'Metallica' anymore. It is H. cv. Noelle. It was the incomplete opening of the flower that threw me off...but seeing mine start out the same way...I see it clearer now. Not CLEARly but CLEARER.
;>)
Well now I am totally intrigued. I am checking the bud progression on H. cv. Joy everyday now. They just flattened out a day or two ago so it's going to be awhile.
Also going to compare the leaves on my H. cv. Noelle against Joy.
Happy Friday everyone! Looking forward to a long weekend and much garden fun. Be safe!
I will watch mine closely as it is ready to put on a flush of blooms. It should be an interesting study in diversity.
Hope you have a safe and happy Holiday weekend as well Susan. Will look forward to comparing notes on this one.
So does that mean hopefully I'm not losing my mind:-) (no comments please:-).
Blessings,
Awanda - walking around with a "wild" look in her eyes:-)
Have I missed something Awanda? When did you find your mind???? (Sorry, I could not resist!)
DUHH! Awanda, keep tabs on your bloom and see if the corollas turn back. You should be the first to see if this theory has validity. Would be a good plant to photograph every few days or at least weekly. Keep us posted!!!
Mel that's a problem since the flowas blasted and fell off already.
Blessings,
Awanda
H. sp. laos x H. vitellina.....??? We will know in a few days if it's H. cv. Joy or I have the tags switched.
Here is the description of both...with photos. Hope this helps.
http://www.bigislandgrowers.com/ghp/AH/HPub.htm
Carol