One of my "planted out" brugs is covered with fine webs on the ends of the branches where the new growth is happening...and in these tiny webs are little reddish dots. The back of the leaf has little reddish dots...are we looking at Spider Mites here??? I have some AVID...just want to make sure that's what they look like. Aaaack!
AAAAaaaack - spider mites?
Aaaack is right! I hate 'em.
I just found that my roses are covered with them. It sure makes me worry for my brugs.
I sure hope this isn't going to be a year for big infestations of them. At least Avid usually takes care of them quickly. For me anyway.
Yep...Googled and found Red Spider Mites....and it is the ONLY brug that has them....so I am off right now to spray...I guess systemics don't work on them, eh?
Aaaaack! My skin feels like they are all over me...just having touched the leaf to look at it thru a loop.
Not already???!!!! Oh I can't bare to think of them things right now! It's way too early for those suckers !!!
Good luck Carol, I know how you feel, when I see them I get the willies!
Julie
Sounds like you found them in time before they infested your other plants.
I won't be without Avid. That stuff really works. I sprayed all mine before I brought them into the house where they sat in a hot and very dry room all winter. I never saw even one mite.
How do yall afford that avid stuff, it's soooooooo expensive. I broke down and bought the merit for aphids, cause their really bad, and now the spider mites, I've found them on 4 or 5 brugs now. I'm gonna try buying the raid garden spray judycooksey suggested it, said it worked for her.
going to get some tomorrow.
kathy
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/484955/
This is the thread where Raid was mentioned... I got the House & Garden because it said it killed Spider Mites.
Kathy try it on the plant you like least, first. lol lol
Judy
Judy...can the vapors of the spray waft over to nuke the suckers...or do you have to hit the leaves with a BLAST?
FYI -I talked to the Plant Pathologist about spider mites yesterday and he advised to spray Avid + Hexagon to kill the eggs, young etc. The Avid apparently only kills the adults. Guess I am going to have to find some deep pockets...I am finding lots of mites....
Oh Bless you, I'm so sorry you found more.
I'm off to spray mine again with the Raid as a precaution, my pockets "ain't" that deep.
Judy
I wish I could afford that Avid. Russ would shoot me if I spent that kind of money to spray bugs.
AlohaHoya - did you ask the Plant Pathologist about Raid???
Judy
I am seeing him today and will ask him...'CAUSE I found White Flies on my Brugs. MAN...did I know what I was gettting into?
I am also going to ask about using the Oil/Soap mixture...man...those chemicals are nasty!!!
Buggy in Hawaii
This message was edited Apr 29, 2005 10:39 AM
I hate bugs!!! But can you blame them for heading to Hawaii? Good luck!
We get bugs in Mi. too, without the beautiful tropical weather!
Kill those suckers!!Ha!!
Bonnie
Do we ever have BUGS! The State Government releases bugs to kill bugs...diseases that wipe out whole orchards (then there is the orchard owner who is afraid to report it...so the destroying banana disease travels further)...and so many of these diseases and bugs are brought in... Oh well. A chololate and vanilla to every side!!!
Carol
OH..was told that oil/soap works well on white fly...NOT on red spider....but I remember in Seattle the weapon of choice was oil soap or just a strong spray of water.
Buggy and Confused in Hawaii
I feel for you Carol. I hate it when I have bugs all over. I seem to be bug free for the minute.
Carol, how long ago did you use the systemic? I think that they only last about 6 weeks. I had taken care of my spider mites last fall and was clean for the winter until I got a brug from one of the "favorites" off ebay while back and it had them. I treated it immediately, and was ok, but I forgot to treat for the eggs hatching. Now I have a half a dozen brugs with them.
Just can't win. Jeanette
Oh Kell, please knock on wood! The minute you actually type that you are bug free, you will get them.
I just looked up Avid...ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ..................I'm with Judy and the Raid, or maybe a BIG SHOE!
Or a garbage bag and new plant. Or sitting on the corner with a cup....Have food, Need Avid!
Avid (Quart) The most economical size for Avid. Compare elsewhere at over $350 per quart. Outstand... $320.00 Order
- Miticides
Hexygon (6 oz.) Want to take your Avid and "kick it up a notch"? The answer is the ovicide, Hexygon. ... $170.00
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Read the can before you buy the Raid, the one I'm using is for House & Gardens.
Judy
Buns, you can buy Avid in the 8 oz. bottle too and it will last you a lifetime at 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water. Still expensive at about $100, but find a friend who will share the cost and it is still cheaper than all the "over the counter" items you buy that don't work. At least for me, it has worked very well. I had one plant this winter that had just a few mites on it and I've not had any since. I sprayed a few plants last summer because I thought they had another kind of mite. The summer before, I didn't have to spray at all. Before that....oh my gosh...it was horrible here. I almost hated growing brugs because the mites were so bad. I felt like all I got done was spraying. Avid really helped me. Please read the label if you do buy it. Like any other miticide, you must only use it three times before changing to another product for a while. The mites will become resistant to it, otherwise. I've never had to spray more than once to get rid of them, so I haven't tested this suggestion. Now, if they would just come up with a one time spray to get rid of white flies. They are much worse than mites, in my book.
By the way - the PP also said that very often Red Spider appears after other systemics such as Imidocloprid have wiped out all of their predators!
I am trying to find someone with Hexygon to combine the two. The PP also said to apply the two if them, Avid and Hexygon 2-3 times to be the most effective!
Boy, the folks that grow only native plants don't have these troubles! Maybe I am in the wrong hobby.
LOL
I am knocking on wood, spitting over my shoulder (watchout back there) getting out my spider mite voodoo dolls and anything else to keep the spider mites away. Not sure I would like it on the corner with a cup begging for avid.
If this works, I'll be sending you all spider mite voodoo dolls. LOL
Gross I was just a a Flea Market at a stall with lots of GREAT looking plants among them Datura, big beautiful blooms to die for ........and they were covered in aphids!!! I got away from them as quickly as possible.!!!
Judy
HAHAHA - I managed to buy 1/8 of a teaspoon of Hexygon from a nurseryman friend of mine....no sense getting carried away!!
hahaha too much or should that be, just enough!!
Judy
HAHAHA I shortchanged corporate America!!! My friend said only to use Hexygon once a year per crop...so I don't figure I will need it more than 1 year...and the Medallion I got to TBSP...just enough for 8 gallons. Just enough, I hope!!! Nip those suckers in the web!! Oh, yes...and a nasty little case of fungus they acquired. Spring is a great time for Cercospora...thank goodness no one told them I have a greenhouse!!!
I did ask the PP about Raid and his first comment was "disaster". He went on to explain that those aerosols are Pyrethrins and they are insecticides, not arachnicides (against spiders)...he thought that it may be the carrier that is killing them...which also may cause a phytotoxcicity. If they, on the offchance, get the spiders, it won't get the eggs...for that you need an ovicide.
IMHO if it works...use it. But that is what he said.
Tell me...how far away from the spidies do you blast them with the Raid?
Aloha..
http://www.killsbugsdead.com/fop_hg_bk.asp
This is the link.. I got it in my mind that it was a systemic because the label cautions against using in on food plants, same as with systemics. The label does NOT state that it is.
Notice the caution in regard to tender plants and new growth... I didn't care at that point. The wind was blowing and had been for days and I was outside so I held the can about 10 inches from the plant, could be why one out of the 12 died. At first I had 6 plants with Spider Mites so I moved them outside on the porch and sprayed, then I noticed them on 6 more which I treated the same way. Now I have my Magoo glasses so I can check them all out just as soon as it stops raining and the wind dies down some.
Judy
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Hmmm. Couldn't find the ingredients on your link. But, hey...if it works for you...goferit!!
Carol-I was just wondering if the Hexygon worked. I found this old thread and am trying to get rid of a terrrible case of mites!!!
It seemed to...but it is so pricey!!!
I would just strip the leaves, spray with a miticide and spray at 7 day intervals 3 times.... Ortho makes one that is supposed to be good... smells awful but the price is right!
Good luck!
I must have the luck of the irish..I hear everybody talk about spider mites and how hard it is to get rid of them....all I do is take my spray on my garden hose and spray the tops and bottoms of the leaves..I try to do it twice a day for awhile and usually they are gone in 2/3 days completely...Ive got about 25 brugs grouped together in one area and just take the time to spray them and its byebye spider mites...Judy
Judy, I tried your rinse off of spider mites but I couldn't seem to get them all. Theplants would just have more webs the next day. I have become desperate - after losing 4 new Dahlias, and 3 brugs are nearly leafless, I just closed my eyes and ordered Forbid by Bayer. It's supposed to take care of all the different mites and white fly, and you only have to spray the top of the leaves. I used my charge card to order so my sweetheart will not know I've dropped off the edge of the world. :) Only problem with that, I have to pay. :(
Oh, and I did Neem three times before jumping off the edge.
Tussee
Where did you order it from Tussee. I've never seen it for sale anywhere.
Mine are back again, even after the 3 sprays one week apart of Avid.
Mary
Mary, I just googled it and it costs $224.00 for 8 oz. No plant is worth that to me. However, if several people went in together on it, maybe.
Jeanette
Jeanette, I paid a tad more for my Forbid so tell Mary where to find your cheaper source. Thanks.
Tussee
Tussee, Mary, I googled it and this is what I found. But, remember, this price is for 8 oz. The Avid and Floramite is about the same price but for quarts I do believe. Jeanette
A NEW DEFENSE AGAINST SPIDER MITES
by Roger Bryan
All rosarians know that the two-spotted spider mite (tetranychus urticae) is a serious rose garden pest. This nearly invisible insect works on the bottoms of leaves sucking the chlorophyll out of them. Spider mites can take a healthy bush to a leafless stick in a matter of days unless thwarted by constant vigilance of plant health and condition, and by an intensive spray program using Avid to kill the adult mites and Hexygon to kill the eggs and larva, or Floramite to kill all life stages. The aforementioned chemicals all work as contact or, at best, translaminar (i.e., Avid) sprays so special care must be taken to spray the undersides of the leaves – Avid, being translaminar, does penetrate the leaf structure and will move from the top surface to the bottom, but it only kills the adults. The life cycle of the spider mite – from egg to adult – is five to 20 days depending on factors such as temperature and humidity. If you don’t get all life stages when you spray, the mites will probably return, and they may have become resistant to the spray(s). But help is on the way!
Bayer Environmental Science has just announced the registration of a new miticide, based on a proprietary new chemistry with a unique mode of activity. The name of this new miticide is Forbid 4F, and its active ingredient is spiromesifin, a tetronic acid, which blocks fat synthesis so the mites dry out and die. This mode of activity, inhibiting lipid biosynthesis thus causing dessication (i.e., drying-out), is virtually the same as that of soaps and oils. That is, the MOA for Forbid 4F can be considered, for the sake of simplicity, to be MOA 6 as defined in papers elsewhere on this website, and in articles appearing in the Rose Society’s newsletter, Basal Breaks. This is great because MOA 6 has little or no potential for the development of resistance – an analogy[1] would be a flamethrower: you may miss some of your targets, but when they return they’ll be no less vulnerable to the flame.
Another feature of Forbid 4F is that, like Avid, it is translaminar. The active ingredient, spiromesifin, while not systemic (i.e., it does not move through the plant’s vascular system like, for example, Merit does), is absorbed by the plant’s leaves and will move from the tops of the leaves to the bottoms where the mites feed. This ability to move from the tops to bottoms of leaves significantly reduces the tedium of the spray process – while care should still be taken to cover the entire bush, rigorous spraying of the undersides of leaves should not be required. Moreover, according to Bayer, Forbid 4F controls mites at all life stages and offers an excellent residual of four to eight weeks for mites.
The label for Forbid 4F indicates its toxicity rating is CAUTION (be aware that the Avid label carries a WARNING designation). The label further specifies a usage rate of 2 to 4 fluid ounces per 100 gallons of spray. This equates to 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of spray – Bayer recommends, however, using the lower rate. Also, Forbid 4F may be tank mixed with sprayable fertilizers, insecticides and fungicides, although Bayer recommends a jar compatibility test. This product is available through Bayer distributors, such as Southern Ag ( http://www.southernag.com ) in Boone , NC . A very knowledgeable contact at Southern Ag is Mike Presnell (e-mail: sagrinsct@bellsouth.net ). It will also be marketed by OHP (Olympic Horticulture Products) under the name Judo. Lastly, it’s available in 8 oz. bottles which cost $224.20 from Southern Ag. The cost per gallon of spray is about the same as Floramite, but remember this product is translaminar – Floramite is not. And, this product has a longer residual effect.
REMEMBER: Read the Label!
Pyola is a heck of a lot cheaper and it works .. I use it in the greenhouse because it won't react to the polycarbonate walls like other stuff does. I keep a spray bottle handy and spray the second I see a problem.
Canola oil with pyrethrins-an insecticide from plants for plants
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Use it also on shrubs and trees, as well as on houseplants.
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