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dkorte Thanks guys,
I went out this morning and I found little bumps the color of marigold, orange-yellow. When I looked through my loupe it became obvious they were mites. they seemed large and did not fit descriptions of the mites described in : Insects of the Los Angeles Basin by Charles L. Hogue,
I haven't had time to search web today, I'm just now going on line.Fortunetly, I found them all clustered on one long, perky, brown stem that had 3/4 in, new growth tha looks tender, like it grew overnight. Interesting plant. I also found many little brown bumps (to be leaves, stems?)
Several of these wet looking blobs were large enough to see legs w/o magnification Looking thru loupe I saw some smaller blobs,
with NO legs(?)
I spayed with safer 3 in 1 fungicide (neem) as that is what I had on hand. only the area that had mites.
I read your recipes for insects only last night.
These guys were unlike any mites I've seen before.
Does anyone think I should be more aggressive with these ugly critters?
Thanks,Debbie
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Thanks guys,
I went out this morning and I found little bumps the color of marigold, orange-yellow. When I looked through my loupe it became obvious they were mites. they seemed large and did not fit descriptions of the mites described in : Insects of the Los Angeles Basin by Charles L. Hogue,
I haven't had time to search web today, I'm just now going on line.Fortunetly, I found them all clustered on one long, perky, brown stem that had 3/4 in, new growth tha looks tender, like it grew overnight. Interesting plant. I also found many little brown bumps (to be leaves, stems?)
Several of these wet looking blobs were large enough to see legs w/o magnification Looking thru loupe I saw some smaller blobs,
with NO legs(?)
I spayed with safer 3 in 1 fungicide (neem) as that is what I had on hand. only the area that had mites.
I read your recipes for insects only last night.
These guys were unlike any mites I've seen before.
Does anyone think I should be more aggressive with these ugly critters?
Thanks,Debbie
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Cont.Starting new thread-hope this benifits new hoya fans
Thank you Debbie, if we continue to post to that other thread it won't die a natural death.
As for your bugs, could they be aphids? I'm battling those little critters on a couple of my plants right now and found a couple on one of my hoyas a few days ago... I've just started using Safer's soap and that seems to be working. However, I've read on another thread here on DG that rubbing alcohol and dish soap mixed in water and sprayed weekly for three weeks works.
There are lots of home remedies, sometimes I think you just have to experiment until you find something that kills the little buggers.
Mary Ev.
Those sound just like the yellow aphids I get every so often on the new stems & growth. They are about pinhead size. Very easily seen with the naked eye. Must look like ugly monsters with a loop. Ha. I get green aphids sometimes, but it is those yellow/orange ones that seem to like my hoyas. URhhhh!
I have been spraying them with Garden Safe Household insect spray. Works like a champ!
Marcy
Maybe they are aphids. I thought aphids moved around a little. these things had thin, black legs. looked weird with that little body. I'll get the Safers soap and look for yellow aphids on the internet.
Thanks guys. Debbie
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Hmmm yes milkweed aphids.
See if the ones in the pic fit the ones you have.
Milan could her pests be young scale. Scale is bump like, and the young ones do have legs. Try Q tips with alcohol full strength. What ever it is that will get them.
Keep working at them, because I sure as I'm sitting here, that there are eggs that haven't hatched yet. Norma
If they are aphids, I just wash them off with a sharp spray of water, using an old fashioned nozzel. Norma
Never seen any yellow / orange scale, thats why I believe that it is these milkweed aphids which, depending on the plant they are on, can be yellow to orange colored.
We'll see if she does say yeh or neh on the picture I provided :).
THATS IT!
Milkweed aphids. they actually looked like scale because of the shape. That was my 2nd thought aftee " What in the world is on my hoya?!"
Like a tiny yellow bubble. When I wiped some off with my fingers, they spread all over like wet powder. I know where the aphids like to be on rosette forming succulents, can you tell me where they hang out on cymbidiums that are not in bloom nor have buds? sO I can check them out
Debbie
I know I sound like a broken record...but I would give everything a drench of Imidocloprid and get rid of the ants...no ants = no aphids (for me at least).
Carol
Carol, I have never heard of this product. There were a few ants on hoya this am. I read that ants are good for some hoyas, Do you know this to be true?
I always hear malathion for ants. I'm confused about which chemicals to use on my plants. I have mostly succulents from the crassulaceae, liliaceae, euphorbiaceae,etc.
can you recommend a basic arsenal to have on hand. I'm willing to research how to use them.I also have several orchids, a couple of barely rooted plumerias, a staghorn and various bromiliads.Over 200 pots,I'm sure. I've read some of your posts regarding natural vs. chemical, i'm newly obsessed, and I don't think I have plants that attract too many good bugs. I'm approaching the end of my first year collecting and the only beneficials I've seen around are one bee and a wasps nest that my landlords exterminated while I was away.
I'm sorry if I'm moving too far away from hoyas on this forum/thread. To me they are all brothers and sisters. Debbie
Debbie,
I'm with you! I've tried spraying the plants with water, and the aphids just come right back. Soapy water doesn't work, either. And now that my plants are inside there aren't any ants. (Ants are a problem with aphid because they harvest them and carry them from one plant to another.) So, now I'm using the Safers. However, I've also read to try pyrethrin (sp?)
I can't afford to go through lots and lots of different products, so I'm hoping the Safer's works once and for all!
Good luck! I'm watching to see what works for you, too! :)
Mary Ev.
I am with you, Mary Ev...so many products and methods to chose from....with my busy life I need to find one or two products/systems that don't involve a lot of time and let it go at that.
Digressing a bit: We have tons of citrus trees and 10 tons of ants. I am constantly fighting the ants. They nest in the roots and go up and down the trees harvesting the "nectar" from their aphid herds. My method is spray the aphids with oil/soap...and sprinkle Sevin around the base of the trunk. No aphids-No ants. The ants track the Sevin back to the nest and ... No Queen!
So..I am fighting ants all over the place! Ants are thought to be one of the pollinators of hoyas...AND they have a symbiotic relationship with many of them...IN THE WILD. Personally, I see no reason to put up with these nasty habits in civilization!!LOL. Ants are OK, but when they bring aphids, mealies and the rest of the gang...No Way.
Bayer makes a product called Tree and Shrub Control(?)...it is a drench (you mix it up, and pour it into the soil). It is systemic and lasts at least 6 months (label says a year...). It does not smell, it is not harmful to humans, rabbits, birds etc. In fact, it is found NOT to be absorbed by flowers and fruit... It takes care of all sucking/chewing/nibbling insects. I mix 1 oz. per gallon of water and water the pots with it...and I have NO mealies, No aphids, No scale.
Now, about the ants. They also form little colonies in the house and this is what I do: 1.5 teasp. of Boric Acid , 1/2C Confectioners Sugar (very important), 1 C. water. I put this out in lids of yogurt containers and the ants drink it, run back to Queenie and it is a Jamestown scene all over again! YAY! OR...you could sprinkle Sevin around the edge of the pot, between the soil and the pot, and get them that way. Find out where they are nesting.
I am not saying this is the ONLY way or the Highway...this is how I do it because it is easy for me, my blond brain can handle the instructions and it fits into my day.
BTW Bayer makes a rose and flower spray...which does work...but doesn't last as long. Sometimes when I am feeling murderous I spray it on instead of oilsoap!
Aloha
Thank-you so much
this is the most direct info I've got.
One gal at HD did recommend Rose Pride, could that be the bayer product you mentioned? I didn't buy because the label info /description wasn't clear, claimed to prevent diseases. I think of fungus,mold,virus, etc.
I printed a few pages of this thread for my notebook. Thanks again.
I'll let you know,Carol and MaryEv.
Debbie
Thank-you so much
this is the most direct info I've got.
One gal at HD did recommend Rose Pride, could that be the bayer product you mentiond? I didn't buy because the label info /description wasn't clear, claimed to prevent diseases. I think of fungus,mold,virus, etc.
I printed a few pages of this thread for my notebook. Thanks again.
I'll let you know,Carol and MaryEv and others reading.
Debbie
The Bayer stuff comes in a Blue Bottle. Look at the ingredients...Imidocloprid should be the main one. It is the same stuff used by nurseries as Marathon...wonderful stuff.
Do a Google search under "Bayer Advanced".
There is still some controversy regarding Imadacloprid in that it is being blamed for sudden Bees death in France and in Nova Scotia here in Canada. From what I've read the theory is that the systemic leaves residue within the nectar of flowers which then causes disorientation in Bees after prolonged exposure via ingestion of the nectar. Note that this was related to large scale commercial application of the Systemic (Gaucho I think).
PC...was it Marathon that was used commercially, or Imidocloprid? I have read that the flowers are not affected...I have had plants flowering with the aphids/ants all over the forming umbel and flowers...not the leaves. Was told that is because they could live there safely.
Guess the good lesson here is , Whatever you do, don't drink the nectar after using it!
Carol, the product for commercial agricutural application here in Canada was called "Gaucho" and the main ingredient in it was Imadacloprid.
It goes against my little brain that a systemic which is within the whole plant would not exist within the flowers. Possibly it has to do with the concentration increasing over time within the tissue allowing parasites to attack initial new growth e.g. flowers until the concentration gets too high. Anyways, only theorizing here :).
Oh sheesh, that's all I need, drunk bees - well, at least I would be rid of the aphids! ;) Just kidding, I know (and remind myself often) "bees are good"
I had forgotten about the Bayer Tree and Shrub, I read about that, too. I'm tellin' ya' I'm so tired of squishing aphid, I'll try most anything.
Well - if you grow the hoyas inside...you might not want totally sober bees, anyway!!! and outside, I figure there are enough flowers to go around....
HA! Too true, sober bees could be a problem in the house :)
LOL ~ :-)
I received a nice box today, way over packed, but I love what was in it. The Hoya and stapelia arrived in good shape, and two fold down darling boxes. Exchanging is fun. Now I want to send one back. I've kept your address, so I'll get that done next week. Thank you for thinking of me, that was a sweet considerate thing to do for me. Norma
eeeek! I found black aphids on a Hoya plant that has very, extra large leaves that I brought home from the Huntington, so far we have been pest free. Out will come the Saffer's Soap, soapy water, and anything else that I can think of. First I'll put it on the floor in my shower and clean them all off. Yuky! Norma