How is this for an interesting bloom? Just a different clone of H. multiflora....the leaves are narrower, thinner and not very shiny but they are glabrous.
H. multiflora
Hmmmm a slow shooting Star Hoya :)
Thanks for sharing.
I don't even have a shooting star but I have two noid's that came from Homestead ,The same place I bought my iris marie. they import hoya's . They haven't bloomed but they are huge,Keeping fingers crossed maybe I just might have one of these.Just beautiful Carol!
Dianne
So different from mine (from Logee's).
So many different clones, no wonder David Liddle has the largst collection, he has every clone. I' m so glad Carol Noel is getting this message through to us. I have been saying the words for the past two years. That is the way in all species. God just didn't make one clone of us either. Carol please keep up this message. You will have taught us more than any one else on this forum. This is basic 10th grade biology or just common sense. Norma
In this world of "clumpers" (known as people to group species together and make one species out of a number of different ones because of the similarities) and "separators" (known as people who see something different about a clone and want to publishing it or call it something different)...I am leaning towards "clumper".... Presently writing about this for my website so I won't bore you here with it. My thoughts are that in the "bush" there are simply plants: they grow, they evolve, they get their seeds digested by a bird and pooped out somewhere else, they go thru changes demanded by their changing environment.
So, along comes a collector. If he/she is like David Liddle, cuts are taken from different sites along the "path"...grown out, studied, compared and THEN identified. Different cuts taken can look very very different from eachother and may or maynot be the same species. Other collectors often see a plant and rush home to publish it as something new because it was found in the jungle. Of course, this latter description is an exaggeration...but it is along those lines. Just to see the different leaves on ONE and the SAME plant is enough to convince me that no ID can be made until a cut IS grown out and compared with other published data...and shared with others who are doing the same.
It used to drive me nuts having NOIDs...or having a H. aff something. I wanted a name and I wanted it NOW.
I am told that the "powers" have said that a plant only has to have 2 differences in the chosen points of criteria to be considered a different species. Personally, I think these are not enough differences...
Cultivars and varieties were "invented" to give different sports or hybrids or differences within a species a separate identity. Now, after all of these years, what to do about the H. pubicalyx cv. Pink Silver (for instance) that has developed into a different aspect for many different growing areas and perhaps sported as something else....so that mine may look totally different from someone elses. BUT...they are still H. pubicalyx, aren't they? I think so...so I am starting to ignore such fine separations because where do you stop?
Heck, people have grown seedlings from a cross and distributed them all under the same name...and when flowered they are a different flower because of the hybridization. This area has become a can of worms.
My podium just broke...so I stop. Just rambling on about some of my thoughts about differences in the same species.
Interesting, Carol. When I first started collecting Hoyas a couple years ago, I wanted every possible variable of the publicalyx, carnosa etc. Now that my collection has outgrown it's interior space, I am more interested in diversity. Those treasured small cuttings I started with that so neatly lined my greenhouse benches have turned into huge plants that often grab me as I try to walk down what is supposed to be a human path.
That is what I think my cordioiphylla is ? just s separate clone, and not a different plant or specie as some one was in the same location and took one home to study, it has a slight difference a thick petiole, thus a different clone, and not the type . Caole, I'm so proud of you, Norma
Norma...did you write to Chris and get a copy of the Holotype on H. cardiophylla that she offered? It would be very useful to have...very! Perhaps you could get the Huntington to write her for you...hard to refuse the Huntington.
No I wouldn't write to Cris for anything, you know better than that, that would be taking advantage. I certainly don't want to get the Huntington involved. John doesn't have time to make a pit stop. l'm there to help him, he does not work for me, and is paid out of private funds, not state, county or Federal funds.
I take care of my own plants that that they have allowed me to I have housed there. Tomorrow very likely I will be poting and flating up for our sale this next weekend. Every 4" pot that we have and want to sell my be groomed, and put into new soil, the labels go in and are top dressed. We will have Hoya on the tables. I know because I potted them, up. We have over 80,000 cactus and succulents named and on the grounds (campus)
I only work in the back private section, only visitors with permission. Caroll this is a private garden that allows the public access, and is considered one of the great gardens of the World, like the Kew in England or the Rokefellow Estate. Norma
I have a book that list most of them in this country.
Goodness, what a lucky person you are Norma! That would be a great job to have. Sure wish we had something like the Huntington in our part of the country.
It's a shame we can't readily ask Cris. She has so much knowledge but I definitely agree with you on not asking.
Shame on you Carol for suggesting!
OK...I got the files from her. Norma, if you want them I can send them to you.
LOL, at least she sent them to me...haven't opened them up to see what's there yet!!! {o)
Carol, I feel that your comments do not reflect the reality. Mrs. Burton has always been very useful in the past ( you should know that better than anyone else), spending hours researching questions sent to her via e-mail and spending time scanning, photocopying, sending proof. If herself suggested to send proof then I'm sure she'll send it off to as many ppl as have asked. It's no use to make the situation look 'bitter" by using comments such as : "Perhaps you could get the Huntington to write her for you...hard to refuse the Huntington" and "LOL, at least she sent them to me...haven't opened them up to see what's there yet!!! {o)" , or by pretending that getting information out of her is an impossible task.
I am not trying to get into an argument, nor to hurt anyone, just to get some things straightened out.
Naz