Here we are.....
The reason I asked Chris Burton, on that other forum, for a clarification about H. golamcoiana is because she and Liddle/Forster lumped it together with H. cumingiana and H. densifolia saying they were all 3 the same, different clones or ssp. of eachother. Ed Gilding gave me H. golamcoiana and some seeds from his plant and disagreed with her saying that they are different which can be seen in the physical appearance of the flower parts.
Kloppenberg published H. golamcoiana but that does not mean it IS a different species. Many have published many hoyas incorrectly...as is being found every day. Even Ms. Burton has made that mistake and admitted it. The Index Kewensis is a list of published species, not all of them correctly published.
So...I was reading in The Hoyan, Vol. #20, page 50 that she stated she did NOT think them all syn. - that after seeing George Slussers photomicrographs of H. golamcoiana, H. cumingiana and H. densifolia (called the large leafed H. cumingiana) ARE the same ... but that H. golamcoiana is NOT. Assuming that what she says IS true and that she DOES want to help clear up the confusion of names/labels/IDs I asked her that question AND I had the bad luck to spell it wrong twice: once, a typo in one spelling, and,the second time, spell it incorrectly as she spelled it in the a rticle.
The ISSUE at hand IS - is H. golamcoiana a different species according to Chris Burton, or is my question invalid because my fingers misspelled the word?
I DO care what my hoyas are labeled. I do NOT want to have H. golamcoiana as a separate species on my list if it is the same as another I have. I have not grown it out to flower, but I will.
I will try to get more light on this issue with David Liddle. In the meantime...I will have to give a stern talking to my fingers!
H. golamcoiana
My goodness, you made a mistake I found many typos in Ms Burton Hoyan, so what, we did critize her. She know what you were talking about I'm sure. Do you want the type sheet? I do have a copy of that. I do have a copy of the page of publication for you, if will be of any help. The leaves are very small. I haven't seen the flower yet. Even thought you and she spelled the name incorrectly I knew exactly what you where both talking about. Carol, don't automatically think that is was incorrectly published.
Greatness is not being petty. An leading expert doesn't need to declare themselfs as so. No need to. I also have the published copy. In Latin,
Norma,
Thanks, Norma. I think I will see what David says...he will have all that material, too and I will be there in 3 days.
My father always told me, "Never, ever, get in a [deleted] contest with a skunk".
No, I don't assume RDKs publication is in error. That is the reason for my questions. It will take microphotographs to determine relationships....
I do agree, greatness IS not being petty.
I want to know as well, the type sheet photos was not drawn by DK or TG or DL the artist would have not reason to cheat. I'm sure the three of them discussed this with Ed Gilding. Norma
Why in the world did they lumb them together in the first place. They should have picked a name like H. cummingiana , H. cummingiana v densifolia which is supposed to grow upright.
H. cummingiana v. golamcoiana , larger of the three. All having yellow flowers. the first two with red centers. I believe there are three that I know of in this complex, are there more? That group of people certainly do that with other species. I think your new H. golamcoiana from EG has the largeest leaves than the other two, but very similar. Densifolia is supposed to have larger leaves than H. cummingiana
The type sheet shows that H. golamcoiana was an old discovery renamed by DK. No wonder we are confused. Norma
All three of mine, Norma, grow upright and I swear, except for the color of the flowers there is little difference. Of mine, H. densifolia is the largest leafed...
Ah...another mystery. I am taking all my files on CD to Davids, plus cuttings of many NOIDS. My THRILL is that I have hoyas from Ed that David does not have...and I am taking them for his collection. I tell you, this is going to be an interesting experience. At least I can talk to David and exchange points of view. "Yes Sir, No Sir, Three Bags Full, Sir" gets pretty thin!!!
Carol
Carol have fun, remember to have fun, get three bags full, and make the most of it.
So densifolia, is the largest, the information I had is wrong then? Only one does not have the red center corona? Get as much information as you can in writing. Don't forget these are old, old, old men and one women. LOL I went to play bridge today, the old ladies, asked me how old was my husband and I told them just turned 78, and they all said " My you have a young husband" most of them danced, played bridge poorly, had a boyfriend, gosh I don't dance, so they are doing very well, they look at me as if I was a young chick, I used to be, now I'm a tough old bird. Norma
PS perhaps my research stinks, or I transposed again. LOL
Norma....your research is a lot better than mine. I am slowly getting literature (just got Rintz;s monograph on the Peninsular Malaysian Species of Hoya) from a friend in another forum...and hopefully I can photocopy literature David has.
YOU BET...I am taking lists of questions (doublespaced with room for the answers), CDs of my own files, notebooks...THE works. I am hoping to accompany David when he goes thru the AQUI processes of clearing the plants I am bringing him...and go thru everystep in the processes.
More and more I am learning that there is NOT one definitive authority nor expert...simply people who have interpreted what others have interpreted, forgotten it and then remembered it again.
Old is relative, as they say...and I have many older relatives, which makes me not so old!
Hi All
I just joined this forum so I thought I would add my thoughts on this one also.
I have all 3 of these too, and see there are "some" differences in the leaves, but not much. The densifolia has the biggest leaves and they are rather oblong as opposed to round. They are also thinner than the others. The cumingiana's are the roundest and stiffest. It also has the biggest and stiffest stems. The golamcoiana's are very much like the the cumingianas, but maybe a bit more elongated and narrower.
The only one of mine that has bloomed is the cumingiana, so I really can't say how close the flowers may be.
Just my observations on these 3.
Marcy
Marcy after reading both your description and CarolNoels I'm sure I am the one mixed up. Back to the books, Norma