Cat ID please

I found these cats on my young hardy hibiscus. Can anyone ID them for me? I want to move them to a different plant if it's possible so I don't have to spray them.

And was this a tussok moth on my lilac?

the ones on the hibiscus look like hibiscus saw flies

Illl have to looke that one up because those same little bugars on CaptMicha's hibiscus have been creating havoc on mine too, They eat the leaves so fast that if you wait its almost too late

The second one is a tent caterpillar, probably a fall webworm.
http://web.cortland.edu/fitzgerald/FallWebworm.html

For the first: I don't know what a sawfly larva looks like but check sulphur caterpillars too http://www.adver-net.com/sulphurs.html