Please give this plant its name

The flower is from an unidentified Passiflora from Portugal. Does anyone know its right name? Thanks, Woody AKA Baldeagle

does it have gord/ or small mellon like seed pods growing on it-?

it looks like Passiflora foetida [Love in the mist]

I call it beautiful!

Yes, round green pods almost the size of a golf ball. Somehow the flower folds up and the next thing I see in its place is the pod.
Woody


This message was edited Aug 27, 2004 9:17 PM

I am sure that is what it is--I found some pictures it looks like it to me--Michael

I would say that it is a Passiflora Edulis. For a picture see these links:

http://www.kwekerijgommer.com/passiflora_foto's.asp

and

http://davesgarden.com/pdb/go/1193/index.html

Here is a picture of my P. Edulis from last year:

Michael, Passiflora foetida has very small two-inch flowers, which usually have a lighter band.

Check out the link -same forum--where can I find these, thread , [the aol one] and see those pictures--

Thanks to Michaelp and Clare for your input. That catalogue of flowers is amazing, so may different colors. I looked through it for the flower off the neighboring plant to the one I first posted. I think it is prettier than the first, but I must apologize for the poor camera shot. I was trying to hold it steady on close-up setting and did not get a good focus on it. And shucks, right now there are no flowers on either vine. Possibly getting ready for Winter:

When I was growing up in Alabama these things grew wild...we called them may pops. Used to make little animals out of the "fruit."

sandi

Sandi...in Alabama you probably had what we have growing natural here, Passiflora incarnata. We also call them maypops (also passion flower). We eat them, or do our best to!) but have never made animals out of them. How do you do that??

So Woody, does it look most like the Edulis pics to you? How big across are the flowers...more than 2 inches across?

Hi Horseshoe, my guess is 3 inches, take or leave a foot or so. I should have measured, but there are no flowers on either vine now. Yes, I think Clare's flower is closer to mine than any I saw pictured in the "Catalogue" she linked to.
Woody

Okay...that sure is a great link to pics, Clare. Thanks!!

Here is a great link for pictures also: http://www.hewo.nl/Thumbnails.html

There are a few different types of Passiflora Edulis, but all of have tasty fruit. Some fruit turns yellow, and others turn purple.

There are two P. edulis in this thread: http://www.gkexoticplants.com/Passiflora.htm I do not recommend ordering from these people though.

Sandi, I agree with Horseshoe that you probably had Passiflora incarnata, which is commonly called "Maypops."

This was my P. Edulis fruit from last year:

Michaelp, I checked that link you mentioned. Here it is: http://members.aol.com/pasiflora1/ P. foetida has very small flowers and "small marble-sized fruit." Woody mentioned that his fruit is the size of a golf ball. I have to disagree with your identification. I also think it looks very different in appearance apart from the size of the flower. When identifying a passiflora you have to look carefully at the size, tendrils, coloring, leaves, and many other factors.

Thanks to all who have contributed so much information on Passion Flowers. This is a new venture for me, much different than vegetable gardening. My back yard is 80 x 60, with chain link fencing. I have planted 4 vines which I obtained from Shoe, bless his little heart, and am amazed at all the varieties available. After much deliberation we will accept Clare's identification as my vine's new name. Therefore I dub thee Passiflora Eduli and may you live comfortably in my back yard. But alas, I read that this plant does not want to get its little footsies frosted. Dear me, our NC winters are not unbearably cold, an average twixt 10 and 20 but what temperature is the ground around the roots? Will I need to provide cover, possibly try to swipe a home made quilt from my DW? I think not, but hopefully you will advise me. So a nice posting comes to the end, and now I will need to get out the pictures and try to identify the flower from the second vine that I posted.
And for my final picture, I choose the fruit of the P. Eduli vine.Thanks to all, Woody

Woody, your shiny three-lobed leaves just confirms that it is indeed Passiflora Edulis:-) Unfortunately, it will not survive your winter. You may want to collect seeds from your fruit once it ripens. When the fruit turns purple and gets wrinkled, you can harvest it. It will also drop to the ground when it is ripe.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Passifloras. I have around 15 of them now in my yard. Plants Database indicates that Passiflora edulis is hardy in Zone 9, but I don't think this is correct: Here's the link: http://davesgarden.com/pdb/go/66165/index.html

I think you will have the best luck growing your Passifloras in containers and bringing them inside for the winter. Many people cut them back before bringing them in, and they grow and flourish inside, given a sunny window. There are some varieties which are hardy in your area, and there are some which will return in the spring if they are killed down to the roots. You may want to scroll through the Plants Database to find a hardy one for your area that you can grow outdoors. Here's a link: http://davesgarden.com/pdb/b/Passifloraceae/Passiflora/

Woody, check out this article. It talks about hardiness of some Passifloras. It is in the Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/2763734

Woody...I gave some passiflora alata to a friend last year...she left it in the pot and planted the whole pot in the ground. It grew like Jack's beanstalk and flowered like crazy! When the end of the season was over she clipped it back, pulled up the pot and stored it. That same system should work for you also with these I sent you.. (If you want to dig it up and pot it, that is.)

You could also try to mulch it super heavily to keep the ground from freezing. If it fails to come back next yr I'll just send (or bring) you another! Ta-dah...♫

How sad, my heart is broken, as I will lose my new friends unless I take action. Gosh, in all my 85 years you think I would have known that some plants will not survive under harsh conditions. Before I moved to NC I lived in WS for a very short period. For a month the night temp was -30F, warming up during the daytime to -10F; and I bet they don't have nice looking vines even in the summer time. OK, down to business, I shall dig them up this fall before frost. Now what size and type of pot should I use. If you make it too big I will have to hook up Sir Bubba, my English Springer, to haul it in the house for me. We keep the temp in our house around 72 and do not have a southern facing window that we can use for light. Will the plants still grow during the winter under those conditions? I noticed there were some vines listed that survive in Zone 7 and if I fail to save these I will try to buy that varieties' seed. Gotta lot to learn, eh? Thanks for the help.Woody

Woody, if you can dig them up and plant them in individual containers now, they will suffer less transplant shock and have time to get established before you bring them inside. I would plant them in a container slightly bigger than the size of the root ball. You don't want to overpot because you do want good drainage. How big a container you need will depend upon how large your root ball is. Passifloras are usually large vines and eventually require large containers, such as seven- to ten-gallon containers. Home Depot sells their large vines in five-gallon containers, and they are usually rootbound. Some Passifloras, however, do well in five-gallon containers, such as P. "Lady Margaret." Horseshoe's friend's method of sinking the container and pulling it up is a great idea and often used by people in colder zones who need to bring their plants inside for the winter.

I don't think a Passiflora will do well inside without bright light, but I will let someone else answer you who does grow their Passifloras inside for the winter. You may want to start a new thread asking for how to overwinter a Passiflora without a greenhouse.


Edited to fix spelling:-)

This message was edited Aug 28, 2004 6:21 PM

To make the animals we would just take little sticks and poke them in for legs, tails etc., and pipe cleaners or odd shaped sticks for heads. I think we were about 5 or 6. We ate them, too, when the seeds were not quite ripe and they were sour.

sandi

Go to Nancy Garrison in the data base. I put pics in of the fruit type you will get.

Clare, - I have learned a little by participating in this thread, the vine that is growing in the field ,is edible type - I had looked in a book about poisonous plants of florida , and found a pict and description of this plant [mis-identified, it seams]-It does have 2 to 3+ inch fruit, and 3" flowers,-I will tell my coustomer to quit trying everything to kill it, and I will dig it up and give it a home, if it is still alive.
Michael

Michael, if your customer has a Passiflora coming up in his field, it is possible that it came from a seed that was dropped by a bird, but it is also possible that it is a type of Passiflora that spreads by underground runners and has escaped cultivation. Passiflora Caerulea and Passiflora Incarnata are two that I know of which can spread by underground runners and can pop up all over the place. That is why I don't have those because, in warm weather climates like ours, they can be real pests. Here's a link: http://www.floridata.com/ref/p/passiflo.cfm

This has been the most delightful thread I have ever followed. I thank you all for you comments, and extremely interesting pictures. I will try to save my vines but I don't think the idea appeals to my DW. I can understand as we do not have the type of space available to do a job fair to the vines. But, if not, I can try to save or buy seeds and start them again next year. Is there anything unusual in planting these seeds? How long does it take for the seeds to germinate and grow to a desireable size to plant? Thanks again, for an enjoyable visit. Stop by again when you are in the area. Clare, I worked for a couple of years in San Franciso and lived in Walnut Creek. I sure liked the weather and the bass fishing, although it meant a drive to the foot hill lakes. CYA around. Woody

Woody...sounds to me like you may want to dig the passifloras, put in pots, then let me keep them in the greenhouse here for the winter. (Will give me a great excuse to come visit ya, too!)

Hey Woody :)

I'm quoting you here: "Before I moved to NC I lived in WS for a very short period. For a month the night temp was -30F, warming up during the daytime to -10F; and I bet they don't have nice looking vines even in the summer time"

You might be surprised how well Passiflora do even in zones where they live 8-9 months inside (my winter temperatures can get to -52C).

I have 8 different varieties of Passiflora growing here and some of my vines are 4 times the size of the one posted below. Incense I noticed has buds forming this year.....it was just a 4inch start when I received a year and a couple of months ago.

Hey Shoe, sounds like a great idea. I would like to do that as they would be in good hands. The small vine has grown like topsy, but no flowers yet, and the Alata seems to be trying to grow above the fence without support. Reminds me of a crawdad waving his claws around. The small one might be the Moon Vine you mentioned. We can make plans later. Maybe you can come in October on my 86 Birthday, but don't bring a cake and candles as we would set the house on fire. And Lilypon, those are real pretty flowers, plus they have a lot more to open. I doubt if I had more than 6 flowers on each vine, and in my innocence I believed that they would do better next spring. Oh well, live and learn. Woody

thanks- I should probly play it safe and buy the ones I like , although lately I have had several experiences buying, and not getting what was ordered. OH WELL, I still had fun--Michael

Baldeagle I am positive you will be seeing more blooms on yours next year! :)

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86 years old next October? Why, you're just a whippersnapper, Woody!

I'll be there with bells on. (Well, uhh,...I'll wear some other clothes too!)

I'm sure Mr. and Mrs. Woody would appreciate that shoe! ;)

Between shoe's overwintering and your zone Woody you will have gorgeous vines next year. My Incense prob would have had earlier buds but due to a mid July frost and an almost recording breaking cold summer it has had less than favorable conditions needed to put on much of a show.

Woody, it sounds like you have a good friend in Horseshoe. Passiflora seeds usually take about two months to germinate, but I've had some germinate faster and some a lot slower. They say that some can take a full year to germinate. I would say that the average is about two to three months. The vines grow fast and usually produce flowers in the second year from seed. I have grown P. Edulis, P. Mollissima, P. Amethystina, and P. Morifolia all from seed. There are some Passifloras that you can leave in the ground in your area, and they will come back in the spring. I think some are P. Caerulea, P. Incarnata, P. Mollissima, and P. hybrids "Incense," and "Purple Haze." P. Vitifolia is only hardy to Zone 8, I think.

Michael, I can highly recommend Logee's for Passifloras: http://www.logees.com/store/ if you are interested in mail order. They are very reputable, and I have ordered from them many times. They have great prices and ship quickly. I cannot recommend Grassy Knoll Exotics so you may want to steer clear from them. They have a great selection of Passifloras, but I've had problems with them as have some of my friends here.

Thank you, I like Logee's also-- If ever on a trip they are worth the time to visit-- Michael

Clare, thanks for the list of P. that would possibly winter here. I will look through the "catalogue" you linked and see what they look like, and maybe get some seed from the dealer you mentioned to Michael. Thanks for offering to don your outerwear Shoe, although October may be too early to remove the vines from the ground.

Well, if you don't know the name by now, how about looking here and really becoming confused...........LOL. There are many many photos of Passiflorias here and you might just get lucky and find yours, you can post your picture and someone will get back to you if you need some help with the ID......... best of luck..... LOL
http://passionflora-images.com/gallery.php?option=pop&start=25
Dee

Wow! I have 4 pictures on that page. Blue Horizon ,Incense, Nancy Garrison and Vitifolia.Thanks. They must have re-arranged the order since last month. Willow where are the seeds in the MG's I can't find them?

Huh, Monte, where are you? ............what do you mean you can't find them? Don't you have any pods on you vines yet? And if you don't, not to worry some take a little longer to come on then others. I will take some photos of seed pods this afternoon and post on the MG thread or I will get someone else to do it. I camera battries are down........
:o)

Dee