New to ponding - waterlily blooms galore!

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

I've tried to have small "tub" gardens for a couple years now, but nothing much came of them. This year, I craftily rearranged the horse grazing so I could steal their water trough out of one pasture. ;) Wasn't long before I was whining to Kenny that I needed more room (everything was growing so fast!), so he not only bought me an 8 foot diameter galvanized watering trough but also drug home a 5000 gallon well water tank that he'll cut in half for two more ponds for me!

So anyway, I'm finding I really like this water gardening thing. I've had a lot of stress in my life lately and this is sure helping!

Edited to add that this lily is 'Attraction'.

This message was edited Jul 1, 2004 8:41 PM

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Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

This is 'Sulphurea'. Beautiful yellow! I think this is my favorite so far.

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Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

And this is 'Virginalis'. Four of those blooms are from one plant! A plant that was only a shrunken sickly little tuber about four months ago! I'm loving this lily. :)

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Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

I hate you!!!!!!!!
LOL
Mine still havent bloomed! Grrr
You sound like me though- any and everything that holds water gets turned into a pond!
That bottom one sure is unique.
Very pretty!

Kingston, OK(Zone 7a)

I have about a thousand tadpoles you can have.LOL
Something to calm that stress with all the noise they make when they grow up.

Pittsburgh, PA(Zone 6a)

Congrats on your beauties. So, how many times do you check your little "puddles" everyday? :)

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

ROTF, Crimsontsavo!! Yep, now that I've started, everything's looking like a pond. Even a couple junk boats and truck beds Kenny's got out here ~ I'm also eyeing an old toilet we've got in the barn, trying to figure out how to plug the holes in the top and the bowl. Heh-heh-heh. ;)

Frogs ~ Oh, yeah, TaR! We're about 500 feet from a spring fed creek, so frogs have already moved in. I LOVE it when it's cool enough out to leave the windows open at night. Such a soothing sound.

Oh, only about six or eight, Sledder. LOLOL!

Thanks for the compliments everybody! :)

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

Okay to seal your potty-

Get some aquarium sealant- get a piece of pond liner or a thick beach ball cut to shape- then glue that sucker down!
it should work and that would be so neat! Make the top a waterfall going into the bowl! LOL Now I gotta go find a commode!

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Oh, yeah! A waterfall from the tank to the bowl ~ too cool! And you know, I could leave the water hookup intact and the float thing in the tank would keep it full. Yeah. I Like it. ;)

Kingston, OK(Zone 7a)

Ya Just leave the bottom open and as the falls fill the bown up it will flush. LOL

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Queen Creek, AZ(Zone 9a)

What do you all use to keep the water moving to prevent mosquitoes? I would love to try this tub garden approach (besides my normal 'pond in the ground') but with the West Nile Virus around here, I don't want to take chances.

Santa Fe, TX(Zone 9b)

We use little Gambusia Minnows to control skeeters. Also, little feeder goldfish from Walmart will do. Just put a few in each container and they will eat all the skeeter young.

We use a black plastic garbage bag, hold it down with some clay. The weight of the water will then keep it in place. We have a dozen or so and no leaks yet.

Trois

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Yep, goldfish. We even keep them in our cattle and horse troughs ~ have been for years. They eat the mosquito larvae and algae off the sides so we never had to feed them (I don't feed mine now either, though may start to tame them). We had three in one trough when I was a kid for atleast 7 years. They got BIG!

If you just don't want any fish, you can use mosquito dunks. You can get them at most any water gardening place, HomeDepot or WalMart. It's a bacteria in the same family as Bacillis thurengensis you use on caterpillars. They float, but look kind of funny ~ if you don't like that, put them in a piece of panty hose with a rock, tie a knot so it holds everything in and drop that in your tub.

Santa Fe, TX(Zone 9b)

And just because it looks like a donut doesn't mean you can eat it.

Trois

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

*eats it* :D

Queen Creek, AZ(Zone 9a)

Thanks for the good ideas, always did like 'dunkin' donuts', gulp!

Kingston, OK(Zone 7a)

Here's looking at you on your veggie pond.

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Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Oooooh, TaR! THat's beautiful!!! I've got plans for one of those some day. I'm just playing and practicing right now. Hopefully, in a couple years, I'll have a large in-ground pond and can incorporate a waterfall in it.

Pretty pretty!

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

TAR-

That is gorgeous! Looks like the river in Crossville Tennessee.

Kingston, OK(Zone 7a)

I need to buy a bigger pump when mine breaks down. My pond is 4500 gal's and the pump is only 1600 gal's per hour. Just hate to spend all that money for a big one.

Kingston, OK(Zone 7a)

Wingnut does your yellow lily stand off the water. This one does, but the others do not. Or did someone give me a tropical.

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Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Pretty, TAR! Sometimes, mine will stand up out of the water. Not often. Hmmm ... does that one have a long bumpy tuber or a "bulb" or "corm" type thing that it sprouts from? If a tuber like your other hardy lilies, it's a hardy. If not, then it just may be a tropical. Atleast that's what I've learned so far.

Lincoln City, OR(Zone 9a)

Wingnut, so good to "see" you again around here! Looks like you have the pond bug big time like me. Everything around here gets turned into a pond of sorts most years.

You are right in the tropical and hardy growth. There are several hardy flowers that will stand up above the pond like a tropical does. The two most common yellow ones that stand above the water are Texas Dawn and Joey Tomachek. Joey is a more intense yellow than Texas Dawn but they are both pretty.

I have made old sinks and toilets into water features but they always get sold first thing and so far I haven't remembered to take a picture of them. :( Maybe if I kick myself hard enough I will remember it next time. I just try to have fun with the ponds and not stress over the small stuff.

Happy Water Gardening!
Lani

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Hi, Lani! Yep, I'm back. I took up ponding to help alleviate some stress in my life. For a little while it worked really well ~ fish were dying, water was green and plants weren't doing too well, so that drove me to take a couple valium and all was well. *Giggle ~ snort!*

Seriously, now that I've figured out what I was doing wrong, it's so nice to go out there and see the fish swimming under the blooms and the water mint "flowing" out and over the lily pads. I LOVE it!

Lincoln City, OR(Zone 9a)

Isn't it grand to even just sit by the pond and HEAR the water? Then there are the little fish mouths waiting for that morsel of food. And the plants, oh those beautiful plants that are only available to those of us who are water gardeners. It is so good for the soul to be involved in ponding and not stress over the small stuff.

I have missed ya a lot! HUGS for you and for that skinny man too.

Lani

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

I just bought a pump for a little waterfall thing, so soon I'll be able to join you in that. I do know I really enjoy hearing the water when I go down to the creek. LOVE it!

I missed you, too, Lani! And everyone else here. I won't be able to get on as much as I used to ~ got lots more going (building the garden center, got six horses about to foal), but I'll try to pop back in here regularly. :)!

Lincoln City, OR(Zone 9a)

You are building a garden center? On your place? Tell us about it would ya please?

I am back down to one horse. I traded the grey mare for hay mainly because she wasn't getting used and would pick on my mare who is a sweetheart. Angel was a real devil toward Barodnea so now she is barefoot and pregnant with a POA foal.

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

Awesome wingnut!
Pond- arent babies great?

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Yep, we're building a garden center on our place! I've got quite the collection of plants and have been practicing propagating them. I'm getting pretty good at it! Now, we've just got to build the rooting area ~ it needs to be away from everything, the ground covered in plastic and mulch so I don't have to tromp through mud and the bermuda doesn't grow into the pots, and we have to install an automatic sprinkler system.

We've almost got the sprinkler system in the display garden beds, which means we'll be able to plant them soon. And the best part ~ I'm currently designing the koi pond that'll go smack in the middle of it all! I'm thinking of making it long ~ one big pool at the main entrance that goes under the front walkway (cute little bridge over it ~ well, cute WIDE bridge over it ;), then narrowing to snake through the entire display garden and widening into another big pool at the end. That'll be an all-year project.

Speaking of koi, I've been reading up on them for about two years now (actually longer than that, but almost two years "intensively"). We'll be going into town soon to get a few to "practice" on. I've located a seller that sells imports from Japan for a reasonable price that we'll order from once the big pond's done, both butterflies and regular fin. But I'd be more comfortable if the first ones are $5 apiece instead of $50 apiece! LOL!

I've also been reading up on breeding them and raising the fry ~ what to feed them, temperatures, culling, etc. Sounds labor intensive, but fairly simple and straightforward. Heck, I've already had success with the golfish and wasn't even trying. LOL! I'm designing the big koi pond to make that easier. It'll have a big tank at one end where I can put the eggs 'til they hatch and the fry get a decent size (I've got an idea for floating "cages" using window screen and pvc pipe "float" devices to keep the different hatches separate). When they get a bit of size on them (an inch or so, maybe smaller), we'll put them in a mud pond in the pasture, just across the fence from the rooting area. We'll build the mud ponds in such a way that it makes for easy seigning so culling won't be worse of a chore than it is naturally. We'll start out small, with just one hatch maybe, or two small ones, and practice 'til we get in the groove. Worst thing that can happen I figure is we'll make a lot of money selling them as bait! *Snicker!*

Since I've been into water gardening, I've found out that lilies are super easy to propagate, too. Atleast in my SUNNY climate. So I'm amassing them. I've got eight different varieties so far ~ ten more coming in the mail. About half are hardies and the other half tropicals. I've also been collecting other water plants ~ have about 25 different kinds of them. My latest acquisition is the GIANT papyrus ~ the one that gets 8 or 10 feet tall. COOL!

I've also located some wholesale outlets for plugs, liners, pots, etc. Been doing that for about a year now ~ reading through market gardening forums, looking in the Watchdog here, comparing prices, etc. I found a good one for water plants just in case I can't propagate quickly enough ~ lilies for $6 apiece and other water plants $1-$3 apiece (minimum ~ 12 of each variety and $300 total order).

We'll also sell tomato and pepper plants. We might sell seeds and bulbs one day as well. Kenny also wants to sell homegrown tomatoes and peppers, so we may do a little of that as we have extra.

It'll be small at first. I don't want to get in over my head. I figure we'll grow with time and experience. But I'm excited! I've been wanting to do this for five years now, been reading about it and researching that long. I even got a job for almost a year in a local nursery, so have that experience under my belt, too. Even though, I'm nervous. I can't wait 'til the first year's over. By then, I figure I'll know if it's a success or not. I'm thinking success since our overhead will be so low and, not meaning to toot my own horn, but think all my reasearch and experience will pay off ~ I went to a new nursery the other day and fully half of what they had wasn't labelled and half of what was was wrong! It surprised me how much I knew! So I think we'll do good. I hope, I hope, I hope!

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

omg- that sounds like what were trying to do- sort of anyway!
I wish you all the luck in the world Wingnut!!!
Raising Koi/Goldfish is super easy. I feed mine catfish food,LOL. They are bright colored and healthy on it. It costs 10.00 for a 50 pound bag of it too. Cheap!
Were also raising some carp for dogfood!

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

That's what I was going to feed them, Crimson! How big are yours when you start feeding them that? And what kind of parents did you start with ~ imported or pond quality from another garden center? How many are colorful and how many are green/brown? Do you cull ~ when and how often? I haven't yet had the chance to talk to many people who've done this on a large scale ~ just a few who've done it in their home ponds. What do you grow yours out in ~ mud ponds? Other tanks?

And carp for dogfood? What do you mean? Just throw a big one to the pooch? Or cut them up or something? I have four dogs (three BIG ones and a little heeler), so am VERY interested in that.

Say, you want to trade wholesale resources? I'm making a list to email to another friend who's thinking of doing this in Nevada. Want me to send it to you? It'll be atleast a week or two before I get it done. Good luck to you, too!

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

Ohh fish are great for dog food. I feed whole freshly killed fish. Not cooked!
I was very fortunate with my stock fish- an Ag Teacher lost funding and gave me her adult goldfish. (some are about 17 inches long)

I have a comet with long fins (very long fins) and one that has very clear orange markings on a white body.
I started out with 19- two died (kids killed them,lol) gave 7 to my grandmother- she lost two. So the rest I have and breed.
I cull by taking the dark fish out (after a month or so) and putting them into another makeshift pond. These will be the dogfood. (people can eat carp too-it supposed to be yummy)
Only had them a couple years or so and have gotten quite a few spawns outta them! Most of my fry are colored nice too!

Then I go into detail about culling. I am aiming for a new strain so I take the quality fish out and put them together in their own pond.

I feed all my fish the same thing- even the babies. Just toss some catfish food in and they take care of the rest,lol.
We have some good plants on a shelf they spawn on- I lift those out and put them in 5 gallon buckets. The fry grow (to about an inch) then are removed and placed in their ponds.

We need more ponds! LOL

Have you tried Ebay yet? Or www.aquabid.com

Ebay seems to have good deals on Koi. (i have never bought mail order fish before!)

I only have 2 koi- both 5.00 babies,lol. Will be a few years before I get spawns outta them!

I would LOVE to talk more about this- email me? I gotta get ready and go to town for some food.

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Cool! I'd heard of that ~ the BARF diet or something like that? Makes sense to me ~ dogs weren't meant to eat corn, yet it's the main ingredient in most all dog foods. *sigh*

I've emailed you. TTYL!

Crossville, TN(Zone 7a)

Cool!
Yeah we now have corn dogs instead of wolves,lol.

Lincoln City, OR(Zone 9a)

I would love your list, Wing. Out in our pond there is aproximately 30 different hardy lilies but we are finding that we need newer varieties to remain competitive. So I am on the hunt for more and have $400 to do it with. The more plants I can get for the buck the better off my collection out there will be. The extras will be given to the club.

I raise koi but am too tired tonight to go into it. Suffice it to say that I raise several thousand a year and sell out by the middle of July. Right now I don't think I have 75 left and I have about 50 of those spoken for.

email me and we can chat about it. Or we can chat on IM too.

Spicewood, TX(Zone 8b)

Cool! I'll do that, Lani. Sounds like we can help each other. :)

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