I have recently learned....after all this time calling it the wrong name...that what I thought was and what I was told was H. burtoniae is NOT H. burtoniae, but it is H. tsangii. The leaves are slightly different as are the flowers. I have seen H. burtoniae only once (at Chris Burton's house!). I will get data together and post it here once I find it all. The small plant sold my EA is H. tsangii.
H. tsangii vs. H. burtoniae
There are a couple of discussions about the H. tsangii/H. burtoniae mix up on the msn forum...about May 3. There is no defining word on what H. tsangii IS yet, just what it is NOT. Chris says she is going to cover it in a coming PS The Hoyan....we shall have to wait until then. What I could see of the H. burtoniae difference is that the leaf is longer/not so "chubby"...
So you do think there are two distinct plants, and perhaps even the flowers may be different? Well then, that would put that to rest. I'll start snooping around as well. Are they listed any other place to back it up? If this is true I'll have a lot to sell to my club members or trade to the forum. I just found H. tsangii C. M. Burton given the Hoyan 13 as ref. saying that H. augustifolia Elmer 1938 (nom. illeg., Art 53.1 so Chis is backed up on that name. Now does this mean that the burtoniae (stiffer leaf) is also ( nom. illeg.) Confusing? Yes? Norma
Chris admits she erred in the publication of H. tsangii. It is something else entirely. And, yes, H. tsangii and H. burtoniae are two completely different plants...
The decision about H. tsangii really has nothing to do with H. burtoniae being a valid publication or not... As it stands, it IS a valid publication. The question is H. tsangii and I am anxious to hear what it really IS... They are often confused, tho'.
Now I am in big trouble and more confused as ever, I do have three H tsangii, which I know is a Hoya
I have one H. burtoniae, which I know is a Hoya. Those leaves are stiff and seem to have more velvet and larger than H. tsangii. Please keep me informed. I know what Elmer named the plant orgainally, unfortunatlly it was not published correctly at that time, and he had the name taken from him. What a shame and he found the plant in the first place. Norma
For the time being...I 'spose we call it H. tsangii. If that is, indeed, what we have...who knows these days.
I would bet dollars to donuts that if we all submitted pictures of any given hoya we have with a specific label, we would have a wide variety of "imposters"!!!
My suspicion is that it is still H. tsangii. Unless she got it from another source, Mel has the same plant I have, from HI.
Cancell my last...darn...I keep thinking in terms of absolutes and there ARE none!
So...this one we "called" H. tsangii is NOT that one...guess the name should be H. aff. tsangii until Chris corrects her mistake.
Who's on first? :oD
Carol, LOL now you know why I don't change my labels. :o] I have a square jaw. l Norma
OK..as of today (everyone, check your watches and calendars), Chris (who published H. tsangii so she CAN call the shots) feels that what we have known and loved as H. tsangii should be called H. DS-70. That was the name it was called before she published it as H. tsangii. For an explanation of why she retracts her publication, it is the latest post on the msn forum.
Yes, Norma...it does boggle my simple mind. ;O~
Okay I found my H. buttoniai C.B- flowers will be red, supposed to be butterscotch in perfume. The leaves are very felted on the underside and top, dark red in color. The leaves also curve down. If I'm lucky the umble will flower six months from now, so don't hold your breath waiting. LOL I have about 6 plants in this basket and no matter what the name it's a nice plant and growing in morning sun, and little water.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing , I'm only describing my two plants, I did add a label to H. tsangii= H.DS-70
I did notice that H. tsangii has a rough underside, no felt (hair) like feeling. Both are lovely plants. Norma
Norma...if your soil is nice and lose, try giving it lots of water...mine gets tons of water and blooms nearly all the time! And, the more sun it gets, the redder the leaves get! I love this plant...whatever it is! LOL