This is a Knightii x L'amour seedling from Calalily's seeds, and look at the new growth, the leaf texture is very strange, like leather almost, and it has this bronze look to it, any ideas?
Seedling Problem, Help
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Cala will know, I think it was her or Tonny that spoke of this last year. I forget the name tho, when it shows bronze leaves.
Did you check it for mites? I have a sick BF and my leaves were growing upwards, Monika thought it was mites and when I checked it sure had them. I htought it had some horrid disease. But now I htink it had mites to the nth degree. I have several brugs that are mite infested right now. Totally snuck up on me. My Cream sickle could die over them.
Kell, I'm having a horrible time with mites this year :(
Years before I would only struggle say a couple weeks and gone. Usually my battle is whiteflies that start in mid summer, growing nervous with spider mites here so early.
My friends fushias collasped (almost an instant thing) and the rose buds turning yellow and falling off. After investigating we discovered spider mites :(
Bumping this up hoping somebody will know the answer.
Maybe a phosphorus deficiency...
Here's another good link that I ran across:
http://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/FS02/FS0265.pdf
We need that darn spell-checker!
This message was edited May 16, 2004 7:50 AM
I'm thinking mites too. When you enlarge the picture you can see tiny white specks. I'd treat it for mites and see if it improves. I have no idea what it could be if not mites.
Yes Brugie, the telltle white dots on the leaves where the mites have sucked from the back.
Gretchen, I can't get your link to work right. boo!
kell & brugie, after I read your posts about the white specks, I had been noticing that on the leaves of my dbl.white. I checked the back of the leaves and sure enough little black dotes...so small I wouldn't have seen them without actually looking for them and the sun shining through the leaves!
I mixed up a solution of 50% alcohol and 50% water and a few drops of dishwashing soap. I sprayed the whole plant and the others near it. If I remember correctly I am supposted to spray again in 3 days. How many times should I repeat the every 3 day spraying?
I am sure glad that I read this post and went to look. Now I even see the little webs, that I couldn't see before getting the spray on them. I would suggest others check for them too. I have seen red spider mites before, but never any as tiny as these black mites.
Mites love CDW. I got rid of all my CDW last year (unless EDW is one also) and I had no mites after that. I had them in the hoophouse just before I brought the plants out and I guess a few lived to multiply after my onslaught.
I think Susie said bronze coloring is a sign of broad mites. If it is broad mites they are much harder to control than regular spidermites. Most insecticides don't phase them. Do you have Avid? If not, I'd try the drowning method and submerge the entire plant in warm water for a half hour.
I have some avid, but I wonder if it is still good. I bought it in the spring of 2001. I used it earlier this season and while it normally gets rid of the mites in one use, it didn't this year. It could be because the spider mites are worse this year than previously.
I am hoping the really wet weather we have been having will cut down on the mites, they seem to be getting better. I have had the signs of regular spider mites on other plants, but this is the only one that looks like it has broad mites, or whatever this may be. I'm gonna try the avid anyway.
This is what my leaves look like on the dbl. white
TOP SIDE OF OLD LEAVES...
BACK SIDE OF OLD LEAVES...for some reason the new leaves look green and OK...
MaryinLa, you mentioned the rain - it has rained so much here that I dared not put any more water on my plants, so they have not been fed in over a week. How do all of you that have gotten of of this rain deal with feeding the plants??? SLike
It is broad mites that cause the bronze color on the underside of the leaves. The don't make webs, they are impossible to see with the naked eye and they live INSIDE the membrane that covers the leaf. That is why they are so hard to kill. Avid should work, but lots of mites are getting immune to it. Neem is good, it's an insect growth regulator, they can't molt from one stage to the next, so they die and as far as I know, nothing is immune to Neem. If you can find Kelthane(try a farm store) and it's not restricted in your state, that will work, but needs to be sprayed at least twice.
There is another one and it's name starts with an "O" and it's not Orthene, it's new, and I can't think of what it's called right now, but it's pepto pink when you spray it. Tracey will know.(it's also very very expensive)
The bronze is on the top side of these leaves, possibly underside, too, but those pics were of the top side.
Susie, with the Neem, does it work as a systemic, or just topical? I have a boatload, and I am thinking of using it as a precaution.
Speaking of leaves, I have a small Tiara & Species and their leaves are odd, for lack of a better word, they pucker, sorta rounded and pulled tight around the edges and it all looks kinda like it was all gathered by the stem. Is this the nature of those two brugs or have I got a problem. SLike
Shelly, the neem has some residual effect. I know there's a website that has all the info, but I will have to find it.
Sherry, have your brugs been too cold? Lack of nutrients? Gotten drift from weed-killer by accident(my DH did that to a couple of mine and some other stuff too). Have they been attacked by aphids or other insects? I also remember Monika saying there is a nutrient that if given too much makes the leaves pucker, but I can't find my notes and I also can't remember which nutrient it was.
Mary, broad- and cyclamen mites need cooler temperatures and a high humidity for optimal development while spider mites love it to have warm and dry.
Thanks Calalily!!! What did happen is that my plants went into shock because I failed to soak the roots (didn't know to) before I potted them. I really think that has something to do with it, because it doesn't look like bugs and I don't use weed killer; however, I sprayed a plant near them, for mildew, with Garden Safe 3 in one Fungicide3 and it was windy. More and more I'm thinking it was the shock because I do recall some leaves being bruised and I considered taking them off, but didn't. I wish I had documented the whole shock thing and it might have solved this mistery for me. Thank you so much for making me put on my thinking cap - sometimes I'm 'chicken little' and walk right past something obvious. SLike