New spring growth on my Passiflora Incense Vine is showing the virus that we've all heard about. I've already planted several other Passifloras around this one, and they will be sharing a common trellis. Does anyone know if the virus could infect my other Passifloras? I love my P. Incense and would hate to have to destroy it, but I will if it will end up destroying my other vines.
I sure don't know anything about the virus but appreciate the picture of what it looks like. I have an Incense growing at work right now.
Here's another picture of the leaves.
Clare, what virus is this? The leaves look cool all mottled like that, but I agree, you can't take a chance on it spreading.
Thanks, Lilypon. Supposedly, the parent plant of P. Incense carried the virus and so all P. Incense vines have it. It didn't show up last year on my vine, but here it is this year. The new P. Incense "Allspice" is supposed to be virus free.
Hi Shirley, I think it is called Carla's virus or something like that. It is supposed to affect the growth rate and flowering.
Mine is huge now...no virus so far but no blooms yet either...I really, really hope it will bloom this summer.
Clare reminds me of a moasaic virus like on a rose leaf,dosen't it to you?
Maybe your potting soil is lacking some iron?
Try ironite!!!LOL
Lets hope its not a airborne virus!
Hi Don, yes it does look like that. I will definitely try some Iron Chelate, but I think that this virus is inherent in this particular Passiflora, and I'm not sure I can do anything about it. I'll see how it grows and performs this summer, but I really would hate for that virus to spread to my other Passifloras -- especially the beautiful long-fingered one that you sent me. I've had to repot that vine twice! I can tell that it is a wonderful grower!
What variety did Tropicman send you? I'm always on the lookout for another one (if it's available here).
I've had my same Incense for 5 years. Didn't know of any virus, it blooms well for me each summer, never had leaves like that. Hope yours' is just lacking something, or caused by water or insect spray?
Lilypon, we haven't figured that one out yet. It is an unusual variety with really long-fingered leaves. When it flowers, we may be able to identify it.
Thanks, Hibiscus. Me too. I had heard that all P. Incense vines carries this virus, but not all of them manifest the symtoms. I'll do some more research and see what I can learn.
Here's the long-fingered passiflora that Don sent me:
Wow! Have never seen anything like that one. Please keep us posted, would love to see a bloom. Is it a seedling? Parents?
Yep that one is different...will keep this thread bookmarked.
Yes, it is an unusual one. It's not a seedling. Don received a cutting of it from someone, but it has never flowered for him, and he can't trace its parentage. He sent a cutting to me, being the wonderful person that he is, and so when either of us gets a flower, we will most definitely post it.
Here's a close-up of the rooting cutting that Don sent to me:
I just found this at the Florida Cooperative Extension Service / Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences / University of Florida web site: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_MG328
"Virus diseases affect passion fruit production in Australia. They have also been discovered in Hawaii and in an ornamental cultivar grown in Florida. In view of the trouble viruses cause papaya growers in Florida, all practical means should be used to protect passion fruit plantings from possible viral infections. Any vines whose leaves show mosaic or vein-clearing symptoms should be removed and destroyed. Also, plants should be propagated from seed whenever possible. A vine used as a source of cuttings should be kept insect free in a screen house to protect it from viral infections."
Monterey Bay Nursery says this:
"The original ‘Incense’ is very susceptible to Carla virus, which is rampant in cultivated Passionflowers and usually leads to some sort of foliage discoloration. In ‘Incense’ large golden spots appear and vigor is low in infected clones. ‘Allspice‘ is apparently free of that particular virus at this point. rev 12/02"
My allspice is clear so far no problems. Wow! Maybe I don't want to get Incense so much now.This is my Allspice this morning, no weird coloring.
Thanks for all the information Clare. I will watch mine, but think maybe I should get the "New Incense" and get rid of the old one. I love the long fingered passy. Very unusual leaves and hope the bloom is just as unusual.
Thanks, Shirley. I have just emailed San Marcos Growers, Monterey Bay Nursery, and the Passiflora Society to see what they have to say about this. If I don't hear from them soon, I will dig up and destroy this vine because I just planted four other Passifloras around this one, and I can't risk the virus spreading to all or any of them. I have read that, when P. Incense was created, the creators knew that all clones would have this virus. What I want to know is why in the world would they propagate and sell a vine with a known virus? Anyway, thanks for your concern. I'm excited to see what the long-fingered passie will show us.
Sure, I finally order my first passi(incense) and now it might die. Great... thanks for the info!!!!! I'll call Logees tom. Mere
hpluver, that's a great idea. I'm going to write to Logee's and ask them what they think.
Monterey Bay nursery replied to me and said that if my other Passifloras came from a nursery, they most likely already have the virus. San Marcos Growers was completely unhelpful and told me to contact my local Agricultural Commissioner's office.
I am expecting three new passi's from San Marcos next week. (we have a new gazebo that needs coviering) Guess I will call them tomorrow and maybe they will be helpful because my plants should be guaranteed, right?
daisyavenue, San Marcos Growers is a wholesale grower, isn't it? This was the message that I got today from San Marcos Growers:
"Today our horticulturist is out of the office, so I will answer your question as best I can. San Marcos Growers has discontinued growing some Passifloras because of their susceptibility to virus. If your plant does have the virus, yes, it can be passed on to other plants. I recommend that you contact the Ventura county Agricultural Commisioner's office and ask your questions of them. They will have the most up to date information on identification and treatment.
Ventura agricultural dept.: 933-8415 phone 647-5931 fax.
Peggy Koegler
Sales Manager"
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Just to let everyone know, I have destroyed my Passiflora Incense vine.
I received this today from Randy Baldwin at San Marcos Growers:
"Your image of the Passiflora leaf shows what appears to me to be the dreaded cucumber mosaic virus. This virus affects many of the Passiflora cultivars and Passiflora 'Incense' always seemed to have it. Although we loved the flowers of this selection, its susceptibility to this disease is the reason we haven't grown it for 15 years or better. If you need to verify this information you may want to submit it to your counties Agricultural Commissioner's office (if you are in California). You may also want to contact the nursery that you purchased it from so that they are alerted to the problem."
Thank you to Monterey for giving me Randy's name as someone who could help me. At least now I know for sure what it was.
Does this virus transmit to palm trees? I have a 14 year old palm tree I grew from a seed & the coloration of the leaves is green with yellow spots. Thanks.
Buttoneer, I found a good web site about it, and it turns out it is common in the county where I grew up and which is right next to the county where I live now: http://www.countyofsb.org/agcomm/cmv.htm
I don't see Palms on this list.
Here's another site: http://www.extento.hawaii.edu/kbase/crop/Type/cucvir.htm
You may want to do a google search to see if you can find out if it affects palms, but there are so many plant viruses out there perhaps it is a different one. I originally thought my virus was the Carlavirus, which has the same markings.
You could also have a nutritional deficiency and not a virus. Good luck!
Thanks so much for the help.
Some of the new leaves on my Incense look suspiciously like the ones posted here. It's never shown this before, the plant has been in probably 5 years. What do you think, is this one of the unlucky ones?
Bad news, Judy. It looks like the Cucumber Mosaic virus too. Have you had aphids lately? It just occurred to me that I had a bad aphid infection this past winter, and I just learned that the virus is spread by aphids. I would destroy your vine before the virus is passed to your other susceptibles. The P. Incense "Allspice" is supposed to be virus free if you need to replace it.
This is a picture of the flower.montereybaynsy.com has info on it under p for Passiflora, look up Allspice, or go to my entry at the database. Passiflora Allspice.
It's just as beautiful as the old P. Incense, Monterey. I have a Passiflora I could put in the old P. Incense spot, but I am hesitant to do that. I have a double Rangoon Creeper from Gardino's coming, and I'll probably put that in the same spot.
I don't remember seeing aphids on the Incense. Isn't it late to be removing it? That info said they had the virus even before they show it, or was that the Carlavirus. I'm not sure anyone around here sells Allspice, just that place in CA.
Well, I think it spreads my cutters or by aphids or by other sucking insects, so I would remove it so that there isn't a chance it could spread to the other susceptibles if it hasn't already. You are right that the others could already have it. I will be keeping a close watch on all my Passifloras this summer, bearing in mind that they could all be infected now.
The filiments are getting longer with each new flower. I put the date in as I shoot, and going back I can see them lengthining and curling, just like I wanted.I was going to get a Coral Sea, but I thought it looked like an octupus, as far as growth. At the nursery it had tangeled everything. I got a Lady Lavender instead. I am going to make an overall color statement with it.It will be filling the empty corner of my yard. Trellis faces SSW 6 hours sun a day, no hot afternoon sun. It's in the far corner next to Victoria and Alatocaerulea.Ruby Glow is getting hot!
Boy-o-boy, is this ever depressing! But I do appreciate the information.
I know. It is depressing. I am sorry. I was so sad to remove my P. Incense, but I have so many other ones that I love too, and I just could risk all of them getting it, but they all could have it already. I hope not. I think it was very wrong for commercial enterprises to propagate this one, knowing very well that it carried this virus. Talk about greed!
Monterey, you yard is awesome! I can't wait until the vines fill out a little and are covered in blooms.
Oh god, I have it too.. saw it this morning and just got home earlier and took this photo. This one has never bloomed, something always ate it.. it is two years old and I have it in a wooden barrel along with a Locust Tree and some cannas. Will dig it out tomorrow. Do you think the tree or the cannas will be affected?
Antoinette, I am so sorry. I don't think you have to worry about your canna or your Locust tree, but your other Passifloras might contract it from aphids if they haven't got it already. Also, many Passifloras and other exotic plants can get viruses and live with them just fine. Sometime viruses can remain latent for many years. I've heard from several different sources though that, once P. Incense shows the virus, its vigor and growth decreases substantially. This one probably should never have been propagated in the first place in my opinion.
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I did notice aphids on it about a month ago. This plant is not close to any of the other vines, it is on the other side of the house, but, I did purchase about five of them during that time from the same place (HD) and they are all probably from the same parent plant. I checked the rest and nothing yet, but I guess it is just a matter of time. The ones I got at Lowes are just now starting to put up some new leaves after the rats ate them down, so I guess I should put them away from all the rest, just don't know whether to get rid of them now or wait until the virus shows up. They are all in individual containers and not in the ground. I really appreciate the information that you have passed on to us. It makes me so much more aware of things. Thank you.
