I recieve a e-mail tonight saying that they got a Becca Lynn cutting from me this winter with stengelbrand. I'm quite sure I didn't send any cuttings to him at all and I assure you all of my plants are healthy, but to be on the safe side please seperate any cuttings you recieved from me from your other ones as a percaution. I have recieved most of my cuttings from Gloria Lessner and other reputable people so I doubt there is any problem. If anyone does find a problem with anything I sent please let me know immediately so I can pass on the information
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I am sorry this happened to you Donna. Does your plant look ok? I am wondering if so many people are having this show up on cuttings, when the parent plant is otherwise healthy looking due to the fact these are cuttings and get stressed from having to send out roots to begin with. The tips cutting seem to be the worst, no waiting for two years on those. Monika do you think this could be the part of reason we are seeing this on the newest cuttings so quickly?
Tracy my plants are all fine as best as I can tell through all the folage. They have taken off like gang busters since the days have become longer. This person that says I gave it to him I didn't even send any cuttings to. He wanted them, then wanted me to send them to his friend, then decided he didn't want any because they had to many already. He got it from someone else. I did send out very few Becca Lynn cuttings because she was small and since this is such a bad thing I didn't want to take any chances by not letting anyone know that another case has come up and to notify me if anything I sent them shows any signs because they are all in the ground and cut back for winter. I believe all my plants to be healthy. I had cut all leaves off about a month and a half ago because of aphids and treated with avid so I got a good look at the trunks and stems. This year is the only year I have ever had aphids on my plants in winter.
I wish I had kept more accurate records on who I sent what to. My mind is not that far gone yet though that I have totally forgotten who they all were.
Donna if you know you didn't send this person any plants then I wouldn't give it a second thought.
The person who got my cuttings has posted pics of infected ones which I still need to know if ,are the actual ones I sent to her.
Donna,I got a load of cuttings from you,Happy to say,they look great!
Thanks again!
Hmmm, I am just wondering but, did that person happen to live in NY? I sent a person cuttings in NY and then he wanted me to send some to a friend in Cali.
Donna: I wouldn't give that person a second thought. All cuttings I got from you are growing beautifully. Very, very healthy.
Donna, I have a Becca Lynn cutting with a little white hang tag on it. Was that from you? Anyway there is no evidence of disease on it, looks fine.
Eileen
Tracey, I was wondering the exact same thing!! If the mother plants that are sick are not yet showing it but the cuttings get stressed so it shows up sooner!! I will see what Monika knows about this.
And please all understand that you can still get a plant with SB from a reputable seller if that seller does not realize they have it when they send it to you!!!!! Esp. now when this is so new to us all and most of us have not seen up close what it looks like.
The problem with SB is that all the multihybid yellows like Becca Lynn are susceptible!
Eileen,
It could have been from me because all of the cuttings that I sent out in November had the little white paper hang tags on them and I did send out cuttings of Becca Lynn.
David, none of the cuttings I received from you show any signs of SB. If fact they all look great. I lost a couple of them which is normal with cuttings and they weren't yellow Brugs.
Donna, as you know, I got a ton of cuttings from you at the swap--all look fantastic, and I know you take care of your brugs, which is one reason I asked for them!
David, the same to you, dear! And I got a few yellows--all look just fine.
I think, that if someone is going to make an acusation, they should back it up with a picture with the owner's tag on it and email the pic to them for discussion first. Only then could we track it down.
And keep in mind--our little community here is a learning experience--no blame should ever taken harshly as no one here would ever think of sharing diseased cuttings! JMHO
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I received cuttings from both Donna (trade) and Catsmeow for SASE.. they look fine and if you guys need to know what you sent to me. I wrote it down in a notebook and can send you the list.. only thing is I did lose some cuttings (mostly my ignorance) right now.. I will get better at rooting. Let me know if you need the lists. Also want to add that I ma greatful to be able to get cuttings at all from you guys. Thank you for all your hard work involved in trading and especially when you SASE... Antoinette
edited to say: The aphids are killing me..lol. but, that's part of gardening like someone else said.. Thanks again guys..
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I personally don't think finger pointing is the answer. A public flogging doesn't solve anything. I think a quiet e-mail to the person you recieved from is much more appropriate, by all means post pictures, that lets us all know what plants should be watched. A "I got this plant from Sally, and I want everyone to know" seems harsh, if that person doesn't know, and most will not, they will thank you for letting them know they have a sick plant. Then it is up to them to alert people they have traded with or sold plants to. I haven't read any of these threads to be finger pointing, and I hope we don't go down that road.
Oh gee, I hope I wasn't misunderstood! I meant that the person who does the acusing should email the pic to the owner for proof.
I will edit my post!
Good point, Tracy
I got an email from the preson who got the bad plant from me. She was a bit upset because she thought I may be mad at her for pointing a finger. I wasn't mad or upset at all and didn't really feel like she was pointing a finger at me,but very glad that she did take it upon herself to notify me of a potential problem.Because as you all know I did send out several hundred cuttings to people.
Nor do I mind anyone here knowing that I may or may not have a problem with my plants. It's nature and there will be problems every now and again. I just hope that everyone who gets plants like this in a trade and experiences a problem down the road will have the nerve to bring it to light so it can be dealt with properly.
And in dealing with it I do agree with those of you who say we need a pic of the plant in question and it should be dealt with on a personal level through email between the affected parties before it makes it here to be viewed by the public.
In my case I was sent personal email concerning this before I ever mentioned it here on Daves. I then felt it my responsability to inform everyone that may have gotten plants from me,because ignorance is going to be the cause of this disease getting out of hand if we don't identify and talk about it openly and without hard feelings towards one another.
Yea David, I agree with you totally.
OH Violabird! I wasn't saying that..... I was simply saying that I agreed, and that I thought it should be done privately, but that public pictures are a early warning type system. I certainly was not implying that you were condoning finger pointing, I am sorry if it read that way to you. Please take no offense, none was meant, and it was not directed at anyone. It was a general comment to avoid any hurt feelings, you know how sometimes things get out of hand, and I enjoy the forums when they are peaceful. Right now everyone is going to be highly stressed over this situation, and it will be much better if we work together to solve it than fight over it.
Exactly!! Anyone of us could have sent out infected cuttings without knowing it. No one here would do it on purpose I am sure. No one should be afraid to speak up and tell people if and when they find out they have an infected plant. I think they should notify all people that got any cuttings at all from them for it could have spread to others in their collection and not have shown up yet in the mother plant.
I would have no problem receiving cuttings from someone who has had SB, disposed of the plant properly, learned all about it, learned how to identify it and prevent its spread as much as possible and waited a safe amount of time before sharing any cuttings again.
We need to learn how long someone needs to be on SB watch before they can start sharing cuttings again safely after an outbreak.
This could affect any of us and may before this is over if it ever is. So I really think we just need to all learn about this and how to protect our brugs, how to protect our collections and other people's collections if we do get SB and to work together on this.
Well said you all.
David all the cuttings you sent me are looking good and the ones i thought looked suspicious Monika said were fine. I only looked them over since this has come up
I just want to make it clear just for the record that although two of the cuttings I have with SB came from David, I also have it on another cutting which I received from someone else, so it's possible that the SB could have come from that one and spread to David's cuttings. I don't feel there's any reason to for anyone to accuse anyone else because I don't believe there's a person here who would knowingly send sick cuttings. and honestly I never for a minute assumed it came from David. There's no way I can know for sure which cutting had it first, and I tried to make that clear in all the e-mails I sent. All the other cuttings from David are doing wonderfully, and I would not worry for a second about receiving cuttings from David in the future. (especially a bright red triple with varigated leaves, oh yeah !! come on David, you can do it!!! )
Donna all of the brug cuttings you sent me look great too.
David, you sent me a cutting of Coral glow early in the season, and I just checked it out really close, and it is absolutely perfect, no blemishes at all.
Hey, a triple red sounds great. David, you better get to work with your pollen and paint brushes. We are expecting big things from you this year. LOL!
Thank you all for the kind words. Carena, please don't feel that i'm mad or upset with you at all. I'm not. I'll be forever greatfull tht you did bring this to my attention,wheather it came from my cuttings or not.
This whole situation has casued us all to become more aware of SB and what to look for and try and stop it.
I just need to pay closer attention to my plants this next growing season and refrain from sharing any with anyone until I know for sure that I am out of the woods.
carena did you get that other cutting from me I tossed the suspicious looking cutting i had that was from of my plants
no springsong, the other cutting wasn't one of yours, all the cuttings you sent me are happy and look just fine.
well I would just hate it if I had sent you some dreaded diease!!These things just come up , I know , I just keep thinking about the picture of that lady that caught something from her plants , that is what scares me about these things the most.
Oh Amanda, I had forgotten about that picture...where was that?
I know!! I'm trying to pretend I didn't see that picture, LOL!
that is the kind of stuff i have nightmares about the freakish things that can really happen to us.