These are the Sunset(Maya) seedlings. So far all are coming up white. I keep hoping for a couple with green leaves but I haven't seen one yet...
White seedlings
Hope you see changes in some of them or at least a couple of green ones.
Sorry to say: The yellow ones will die ( no clorophyll )
How big a pot are you using there Sue for all those? Is that just straight vermiculite?
There's a ½ inch layer of vermiculite on top of the potting mix. It's just a small flat... I crowded them in cuz I knew that most of them would lack chlorophyll. I have two flats of them coming up. There must be 60 seedlings or more... and so far, none of them look like they'll have any green.
Bummer...I should get mine started......not that I'll have any more luck than you
All the Maya crosses that I planted last fall came up white. I don't think I will grow them any more.
Seedlings that I used the Maya pollen on seem to be fine.
Cool photo, Poppysue. With regard to the "no clorophyll", would the seeds have gotten that when ripening or at some other stage of growing?
poppysue, but using the Maya pollen did not give any variegated seedlings? Reminds me of Hostas, for variegated seedlings the pod parent must be streaked.
That's a real bummer Poppy.
Morph, I think the no chlorophyll is a genetic thang. I imagine it's coded right into the lil seeds as soon as they're conceived - lol!
No variegation with the Maya pollen... that I can see. Of course they're just coming up. Most of them only have their seed leaves. I wonder if a plant that has a variegated parent would be more likely to throw variegated sports?
Apparently, the trait (if I may say so), in Brugmansias is carried by the mother plant. We once had seeds from a variegated Tiara. The seedlings were all white.
Thanks for the explanation regarding the white seedlings. I'm really sorry for you, Poppysue. I was trying to understand if it was an environmental or genetic issue. Appreciate the feedback from both you & Monika!
So, what do the seedlings look like today? Can we see an update photo?
I just had another Maya seedling "bite the dust". Was about 2-3 weeks old.
At least you are getting seedlings. For some reason, I can't get Maya cuttings to even root for me. Don't think she likes me. boo hoo
Not too much to update... cept there's a few more up. Still no signs of green that I can see.
hi Poppysue!
Are Maya and Sunset the same plant with different names?
I am soaking my seeds ( already peeled) and some are floating. Should I discard these?
Thank you!
Anna, many people consider them to be the same cultivar; there is some disagreement however.
You peeled your seeds first? If they were unpeeled, the good ones are supposed to sink. If you only have a limited number of seeds, I'd plant them anyway.
John
Have you tried watering them with seaweed or chlorophyl mixtures just to test if they can absorb it?
Update... I have have one little green seedling :o) I didn't even notice it. I thought I might have killed it by leaving it under the plastic too long but I think it will make it. It's been holding it's own for several days now and I have it transplanted to it's own little pot. It's Sunset x Seedling (Ursu x Austrailie #00)
Hold onto that little green seedling, Sue.
It could be a good one (o:
Congratulations!
Can't wait to see what comes out of it.
I have pods on P&C and S. variegata and wasn't even going to bother planting them. Now I'm thinking maybe I will after all.
Kris
Hope it turns out to be a beauty. Congrats.
In all the seeds from variegates I have planted .. so far all have been white but 3.
One started green/variegated ..now to all green. Other 2 started green.
First 'green' seedling has bloomed .. and very nice.
I hope, you will be able to keep it alive poppysue and that you might have a few more green seedlings.
This year,I left one pod on my Maya. Hummings moths had pollinated many flowers. All I now is a large number of 'could be' fathers which were flowering around the shrub.
GREAT...
high hopes for that little seedling :)
Congratulations! It will be so fun to see what flowers bloom from your cross :)
Is it still perking Sue? I hope it makes it and that it is a beauty. We go through so much for our babies.
If it survives and blooms,and Sue pollinates it with Maya is there a better chance of a variegated seedling because the parent both have the gene?
Good question Karyn. Hope someone has a good answer.
I think the answer is no, as variegation comes only from the mother pod) parent. Same idea as a double flower coming only from a double pod parent.
(But willing to hear from the experts!)
John
I just heard from somewhere, can't quite place it, that someone got a double seedling with a single mother. Is that possible?? Maybe just incredibly rare?
I think the other way to a double is to cross an aurea with a versicolor? But not so good as using a double pod parent.
Whenever a zygote it formed it carries equal genes from both parents.
The father's (pollen parent) genes are just as effective as the mother (pod parent) in determining the phenotype of the offspring.
However, environment also has as much effect as genetics on the outcome.
Therefore, it is possible to get just about anything out of any cross.
And this isn't even considering chromosome breakage, gene crossing, etc.
There is no rule that states some trait can only come from one parent and not the other.
Absolutely untrue on all counts.
Yes Kell, you heard it somewhere. lol
I am one who has a lovely 'double' via the pollen parent.
i.e... my 1st green 'Maya' seedling I was referring above.
Maya x Golden Lady
That genetic information came from my daughter is a horticulture geneticist.
Top of her class ..PSU 1998.
I have learned a 'few' things in her influence (o:
Oh YES Alice!! It was your new double! Well, I am glad it is you. You have such a way with your plants and I can see you gave that to your daughter! You must be so proud of her.
As usual your input here is invaluable. Thanks!!
Rosa Zauber has a single flowered mother, the pollen bearer was a double. The percentage of getting a good double out of a single mother and double fl. father is smaller than by using a double fl. mother but it is possible.