Is there another name for Big? I was looking at pictures on ABADS, and it says invalid name.
Can someone please explain this to me? Id appreciate any info.
This message was edited May 23, 2004 10:12 PM
Question about Big
Monika has Big listed on her site and so does the BGI gallery. not sure what pictures aren't public yet, the link at abads goes to Kirchner-Abel's site and the picture is named ..../big_jpg
Shelly, i'm gonna send you my next born child. maybe i should just send you plants? lolololol....
Ok... I guess my question then is.. why is an "invalid name"?
This message was edited May 23, 2004 10:08 PM
I think an "invalid name" is refering to the rules of Nomenclature . There are rules that have to be followed when naming a plant. The same thing was brought up to us in the PDB about 'Citronella'. Citronella is the common name of another genus of plants. That's a big no no with the nomenclature rules. No one can change the name a hybridizer gave to a plant. But if the hybridizer decided to register the plant... they may have to change the name to follow the nomenclature guidelines. Does that make sense? I'm not familiar with all the rules but you can find them on the IRCA website.
LOL Arlene! Your next born child? Why?? LOL want the name Barney?? :o)
great choice of names, Shell, i won't take them from you, lol....
ok??
This message was edited May 23, 2004 10:09 PM
Thank you poppy for the info! Im going to look it up now! :o)
Miss Shelly... I think this would be why here
5) Make sure that your epithet is not only made up of simple descriptive words like `Red', `Giant White' or `Small'
I think that leaves 'Big' out. #8 is why Citronella is invalid....
(8) If your epithet is a single word, make sure that the word is not the same as that of a genus, whether in botanical Latin or in a modern language. (Erica, Daphne, Iris and Veronica happen to be Latin names of genera and are not permitted as one-word cultivar epithets even though they are personal names as well. Rose and Violet are common names of genera and they too are not permitted to stand alone as cultivar epithets. Such a word may be used in an epithet of two or more words provided that it does not form the final word. (`Erica Smith', `Iris Jones', and `Rose Queen' are acceptable.)
http://www.ishs.org/icra/index.htm
So does this mean that the hybridizer of "Species" changed it to Alma? Does anyone know who the hybridizer is?
I understood the rules poppy and figured that's where it came from, but did the hybridizer change it and to what?
And no one knows the hybridizer of Species, but it was changed too. No hybridizer to register it.
Ah ha! Thak you SO SO much! Makes sense.
Thank you for clearing this up for me! :o)
This message was edited May 23, 2004 10:10 PM
Nobody has changed the name and as far as I know that's still the name. Is it an Emma Neu hybid? She would be the only one that could officially change the name... if she wanted to register it she could change it to Big Mamma, or Big Cloud.... or whatever. The name of it is still Big... but it can't be registered under that name. If Mme Neu chose not to ever register any of her hybrids there would be no problems with the name. The name would still be 'Big'.
I don't know what the deal is with Species/Alma?? It could be that a nursery sold the brug under a different name? ... So the smae plant is going around under two names.... No brugs are registered yet... so no names are protected.
no brugs are registered yet? no, it's not Mme Neu, it's Z. R. Bunke.
Nope ... Not yet.
Guess we better get to registering!! :o)
If anyone in United States should dare to register a european brug without the ( written down ) yes from the hybridizer.I will fly to Anger in France and explain some plays. I am wondering if Dr.Preissel does know whatīs going round.
I donīt believe it!!!
Just a information:-)
whaaat?? I wouldnt DARE register anything that isnt mine! I didnt mean we should register others brugs! Im sorry.. I meant we register our personal own. So that there is a record.
Shelly,sorry I donīt mean you!!!
Ludger, I'm sure it will be done by the hybridizers. I just thought it was already underway, I had misunderstood.
Don't worry Ludger. Only the hybridizer can register their own plant. I don't think anyone would be able to register a plant that is not their own creation... even with written consent from the hybridizer. If the hybridizer is diceased... the plant will never be registered. If the plant was collected in the wild... the plant will never be registered.
I am not worried about it:-) Just an information:-)